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More Bush Double Talk on Waterboarding
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Posted 2008-02-17, 11:21 AM
The range of answers we've gotten from the Bush administration over the last few months is stunning. The DOJ just announced that laws already enacted make waterboarding illegal:

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A senior Justice Department official says laws and other limits enacted since three terrorism suspects were waterboarded have eliminated the technique from what is now legally allowed.

"The set of interrogation methods authorized for current use is narrower than before, and it does not today include waterboarding," Steven G. Bradbury, acting head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, says in remarks prepared for his appearance Thursday before the House Judiciary Constitution subcommittee.

But wait. Less than 24 hours earlier, the Senate voted to ban waterboarding as part of an intelligence authorization bill and Bush threatened to veto it:

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Congress on Wednesday moved to prohibit the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects, despite President Bush's threat to veto any measure that limits the agency's interrogation techniques.
So let's survey the range of responses we've heard lately:

1. Mukasey refused to say whether waterboarding was torture or not, but he did say that waterboarding was illegal now and that he could not imagine (!) the president violating the law.

2. The DOJ says that waterboarding is already illegal.

3. The Director of National Intelligence says we used waterboarding three times but we don't do it anymore. But we could do it again if we wanted to.

4. Bush says if you make waterboarding illegal, I'll veto the bill.

Mr. Orwell, call your office.

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Posted 2008-02-17, 03:08 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post "More Bush Double Talk on Waterboarding"
I don't see how this is torture, it doesn't cause pain or physical damage. They will recover. Also it does not apply to the 8th amendment, it is not punishment for a crime. I think something as tame as waterboarding should be widely used to extract vital information from suspected terrorists.

We can't waterboard, but they can lock school kids in a burning building because their faces arent covered, they can shoot them in the back, they can stone women to death for being seen in public with an unrelated male, burn people alive, ect.

But we cant dunk their fucking heads in water to possibly save thousands of lives, what the fuck.

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Posted 2008-02-17, 03:47 PM in reply to Adrenachrome's post starting "I don't see how this is torture, it..."
Wow, you're out of your mind. Get back on those meds.
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Posted 2008-02-17, 05:20 PM in reply to Adrenachrome's post starting "I don't see how this is torture, it..."
Adrenachrome said:
I don't see how this is torture
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=448717
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Posted 2008-02-17, 10:05 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/show..."
so what dude, he's fine, got scared, yet survived totally unscathed.

It's not like his fingernails are being pulled off, or his testicles blowtorched. Point is the waterborded will survive, the victims of a bomb WILL NOT.

So you are willing to trade a few minutes of discomfort to one person for the lives of possible thousands of terror bomb victims..... right

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Posted 2008-02-17, 11:17 PM in reply to Adrenachrome's post starting "so what dude, he's fine, got scared,..."
Yea...see...

I have this outrageous ideas that the ends don't justify the means. How evil of me.
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Posted 2008-02-18, 03:24 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Yea...see... I have this outrageous..."
Yes it is outrageous, It's absolutely absurd, you would rather see countless people die than to have one terrorism suspect have water poured on his face. Un fucking believable

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