auto-update comin out monday

bungie says their autoupdate patch will be released monday... it's gonna fix grabbing flags and weapons through walls, hopefully help with standby, and their are some slight changes to the weapons. Plasma grenades are gonna be boosted as well as frags but not nearly as much... and melee will be more powerful... go to bungie and check it out looks cool... the part im most thrilled about is they will be resetting the ranks eventually giving everyone a clean start

If you ask me, the grenades are powerful enough as it is. That's always either the newbie's weapon or the uber expert's weapon, either way it's bad news for me. They also say they are toning down one of my favorite combos, the Plasma Rifle/SMG. They say it's to make other combos more attractive, because this one is too powerful, which is plain stupid, anyone here knows there is a particular range you stand at to counter that combo, plus what other combos does it beat really? The double SMG is about it, and that's at close range. So not only are they making grenades more powerful, they are going to tone down that combo, which will probably mean more people retreating away and throwing grenades your way, which sucks already as it is. It seems like some of the changes they are making aren't really balancing the current situation(which is pretty well balanced anyhow), but are really creating a new gameplay. I tell ya what they NEED to do is make the brute shot more powerful, and make the melee attack a one hit kill. All I read in that review was "new combos" "a new experience" "we want players to use different types of weapons" So make the brute shot more powerful, that's one. They also seem to be overlooking the fact that toning down the plasma rifle/smg or the magnum is going to have a drastic affect when you vs the sword on smaller maps. If they do make the grenades more powerful, I hope they will make less of them on smaller maps, because it's bad enough getting into a skirmish.

Also um, which I'm kinda hoping they will do, is make the charge-up shot easier to dodge(practically impossible as is) and make one needler fire as fast as when you have two and do a left/right alt fire, so then two with alt fire might actually be worth picking up... It's not like you have two needlers laying on the ground that often anways, so CMON, CMON, make it more powerful already.

Bungie is weird like that, they make an awesome game, and then don't know what to do with it... it's like after release they all get wasted and forget how to make games.

i wander if more ppl are going to use brute shots now

I do agree with some points, but not all. At first, I loved the upgrade to the grenades, but I do agree that it will definitely cause a lot of gayness in the games with just random throwing, and retreating...

I kinda like how dual weilding for the most part is being nerfed, because there are countless amounts of times when you spawn death because you only have 1 SMG. Now, that won't happen all that often. I like how melee is more powerful, and that you can beat down a dual weilding SMG pussy with a BR.

I still don't really know how to use a Brute Shot as it is right now, so I won't be picking it up very often. The whole deflection shit just confuses me..

Either way, I haven't gone on today yet, and won't get on until Wednesday most likely. Anyone care to comment on any immediate changes they noticed and liked/hated?

i HATE the grenade boost... one because i never used them before so i suck shit at placing them... and 2 because well i suck at throwing them... the nerfing of dual wields is good tho especially the smg/plasma rifle because the guys that were good with it were untouchable... its what most of the leets were using actually... the thing im most glad about is they didnt touch the Br/PP combo... and its even more powerful now that dual wields are weakened because the br/pp is effective at closer ranges now... melee pisses me off tho becuase its a very fast kill now... but i'll get used to that im hoping... all in all i think everything will turn out for the better

flag bouncing and standby are both gone and it seems things will be legit for the time being so im stoked

I actually couldn't resist last night and made time to get on and check out the patch. I can already tell that what Smith said is true, and will become even more so in the future. There are so many more random nade throws and pussies retreating and throwing em (which I actually had to do a few times, but in my defense, I did that a lot before anyway). It actually helps me out, because I relied on nades heavily before, and with this boost, I actually get credit for my nade throwing abilities.

The dual weilding wasn't tweaked down all that much, as far as I can tell. The Magnum/SMG is still a pretty own combo, as well as the PR/SMG combo. The only problem now is that it is a shit load harder to kill multiple people with the dual weidling combos because of the reload and overheat times now. In the past, there was basically just enough to kill 2 people without reloading or overheating if you didn't miss much, and now you can still do it, but you have to be close to perfect, which sucks. There will definitely be a lot of meleeing in the future of this game.

With the upgraded nades, the BR is probably the best weapon in the game, all around. It owns on small boards, and is still effective on larger ones. Nades just make it so much more effective now.

i havent played yet ... but i hope there isnt a change in the pr/smg comb ... thats the comb i used alot!!!!

It's weaker.

i'm finally starting to adjust to the uber sweet grenades now... the BR is so powerful paired with grenades now...its sick

I suddenly find myself loving Coagulation and Collosus more and more, and hating Ivory Tower and Foundation more and more.. Stupid AU screwed everything up really, but what are you gonna do..?

i've always hated grenades, now i hate them even more because people just throw them around when they're about to die and like 77 of them hit me after i kill the bastard

that is alot of nades hitting u steveharris ..... 77 of them ? b/c 76 wouldnt kill u

So would getting sucked under a "convarbelt" as you put it glory.

Hahahaha! Wasn't there, but I can damn well picture it!

what about a conva rbelt?

Most of the people here saying they hate grenades/hate the new grenade update are the same people saying they suck with and against grenades. That's not a very good arguement.

They made the game more all-around. Now you don't have to dual weild, you don't have to grab the sword, anything like that. Everyone has a chance with whatever they are good at. You could go around meleeing everyone and be somewhat good, you could do nothing but throw grenades and be somewhat good, you could be a good marksman and be somewhat good, but to be a master you have to do all of that.

/\ Agreed. I think more powerful grenades will make the game more fun overall, especially since I depended on them/used them so much in Halo 1.

They arent as powerful as the grenades from halo 1 but they are on their way... All in all it does balance the game more even though i hate it

Nah. I loved nades in the past and always used them. They actually make me slightly better because I'm a good judge when I throw them, but now I've noticed a lot of people just randomly throw nades as a primary attack, which is weak. If you wanna throw a nade then attack to get the upper hand, that's cool, but throwing nade after nade and no firing of a weapon is gay and annoying. Even Steve can agree with that!

yes sir
i see people spam grenades from across the map all the time and that angers me
might go into a gay rage soon if it keeps up