WW, that is the most sense you've ever made, iframes suck. Yes they do, I decided, not long after posting, that I was not going to use them. Too much work just for a bloody little bit, I will just make 28 pages of the same template I made. Much easier. By the way, I have successfully been a cheap rip off of phpBB3. Basically to skip any need for me to create a join script, I just use the forums script to join. Then I now have designed the site to read from the phpBB3 users, and that logs you in! Problem...I can't figure out how to simply display a name on each page if you are logged in, and if you are not, then another message. Err...I'll get around to it at some point, I think.