I hate to say it, but my thinking is similar to yours Jamer. I don't know why I think the way that I do, I don't even know why i'm so hard pressed to believe that anything like this could even work. I've honestly figured you could eliminate factors that would make it impossible such as friction and find a way to generate a small amount of electricity. Atleast with Magnets you aren't using energy, you are just using magnetical push and pull on the frame of a motor, while convertion the motion into electricity through the generator, which could then be placed wherever. The factors that could not be eliminated would only mean the machine would run at x% (75-80% due to drag) efficiency, and not 100% efficiency.

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