This discussion never gets any where for the main reason that every one is too biased too make a compromise. First it starts out asking hoax or not, then out of no where ppl are arguing over which country has the more reliable news source

it is futile to continue this and that is so sad, sometimes it seems as if all non Americans wish for it's demise what the hell for and strider what is up with Hitler's Youth?

LoOk aT MeEh, I'm GaY!