i never said lightwave isnt the best, i just said its not used as much as the others, which is true, and 3ds max is not for newbies......i always here them complaining about it, bryce 5 and cinema 4d xl are the noob renderers, cinema is pretty good, bryce is just sad though. it does everything for you, and its very simple. you can do advanced things, but its difficult, and you get nowhere near the great results you do in other programs, 3ds max and lightwave are my favs.