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Demosthenes 2004-10-10 10:41 PM

George Bush -- the reincarnation of Hitler?
 
This forum has been dead lately. There hasn't been anything
controversial posted here in a while, and it's getting tiring to go
through the same drivel everyday. We need to bring some life back to
the forum, people. My effort to bring some mature activity to the
flame forum was thwarted by an influx of idiots who seem like they
have just discovered that a life outside of D2 exists. So, in my
second attempt to create some activity for the forum, I've decided to
post this. I know I'm going to get some flak for posting this, but I'm
looking for a good debate. I know you pro-bush, pro-war (adrenachrome)
people are going to hate this, but I don't give a fuck. Sue me.

Anyway, back to the topic of how Hitler is like Bush. The similarities
are quite astonishing, really. Now, some of you are going to choose to
reject this completely, and say that I'm just "reiterating what I've
heard from TV." Well, what the fuck is it you're doing? Anyway, there
has been quite a bit of research that I've put into this. Whether you
believe it or not is up to you.

First of all, the fact that the people of Germany elected Hitler to
power is a fallacy. He was, in fact, appointed by President
Hindenburg. This seems quite a bit like the 2000 election. Bush did
not win the popular vote.
He was, in fact, appointed in by the
supreme court. Nice job getting the strings pulled by your
connections. No, really, I commend him on that. How else should a
politician act?

The second similarity is that Hitler sanctioned many laws that were
considered illegal, such as the Enabling Act. Wow. Look at 'Dubya'.
He's passed plenty of laws which shouldn't ever be able to be passed
under the Constitution of the United States of America. There is the
Patriot Act, TIA, Operation Tips, Homeland Security Act, and many
others. Take away someone's right to a fair-trial because they simply
look different? No thanks. How can you call that patriotic?
Anyway, if you're taking away our liberties in the name of fighting
"terrorism" (which is an idea and you can't wage war on an idea) then
they have already won. Doesn't matter what else happens. Yea.
Patriotic my ass. Seriously, if you don't know what the Patriot Act
does, look it up. Read it in its entity.

Third, Hitler attacked sovereign nations while deluding the populous
into believing that these nations posed some sort of threat to
Germany, where in reality, these countries posed absolutely no threat
to Germany whatsoever. Most of you on the opposing side are never
satisfied unless I give you an example. Well, Poland. Similarly,
George W. Bush has lead us into frivolous wars with countries that
pose no threat to us in Afghanistan and Iraq. Afghanistan, I can
half-way see. Iraq, I can't. Iraq had never attacked us. They had
never threatened to attack us. All of these claims that you people
have that Saddam gassed the Kurds and killed "thousands of people", I
have never seen substantiated with actual facts. I've never seen any
numbers. I've never seen any of the sources where you gathered your
information. I'm not disputing the fact that he did gas his own
people, but lets see some hard facts about it. I would like to learn
more. Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Iraq has been horrible. These
supposed weapons of mass destructions near Tikrit were never found.
Where's the threat? Once again, I reiterate, Iraq has been horrible.
It's now been clearly evinced to the world that our jingoist president
has no problem whatsoever attacking sovereign nations on his gut
instinct. Our foreign reputation has just about been blasted into
oblivion, as Obi Wan would say. The civilian casualties have been
terrible, exceeding 5-digits. I believe it was about a year and a half
ago when Adrenachrome and Titusfied abusively belittled my
belief on whether or not we should go to war. I had made the
point that the projected civilian casualties were into 5-digits, and
you had basically laughed your ass off at that fact. Casualties are in
5-digits. Nice. You had abusively attacked the youthful, yet
well-informed belief of a (unfortunately) timid 12-year old at
that time. A fucking belief. An opinion! Nice.

Adolf Hitler used concentration camps to opress the people who he
wanted dead. How does this relate to George Bush? Well, our beloved
president has tried to advance concentration camps already existing in
our country to house Muslims, and others in our own country. According
to some reports, this stuff is still going on, people. Don't
believe me? Look it up. That's fucking sick.

Adolf Hitler had brainwashed many people in his country to willingly
accept his dictatorship of destruction through mass propoganda. That's
the only way Bush has one support of this war. He has proselytized
many people through his fallacious propoganda, and his puerile tactic
of labeling anyone opposing the war as unpatriotic (a tactic that
certain members of this board have used on myself).

The list goes on. I'm pretty tired, but this guy is unbelievable. Who
knows what four more years of his presidency might cause us to endure.
How many more innocent kids have to die until the gun-waving
warmongers realize that this is completely rash, and unreasonable.
Vote Kerry. Raziel said it best: My reasons for supporting Kerry are
not because I think he's the prime candidate for the job. I support
Kerry simply because HE'S NOT GEORGE BUSH. One is a flip-flopping but
relatively harmless democrat and the other is a gun-waving bigot
determined to run this country into the ground. The math is pretty
fucking simple.

Ganga 2004-10-10 11:19 PM

Ooookkkk, Whattttttt, Yeaaaaah.

Edited by Raziel 
This is not the Chat Forum, Ganga. MJ created the topic for the purposes of harvesting actual conversation, not your tired spam. Don't do it again.

Raziel 2004-10-11 12:12 AM

That's an extremely astute observation there, MJ. The only point of yours that I'd like to see references on would be the "concentration camps" argument. The rest of it was frighteningly accurate.

Vote Kerry/Edwards.

Demosthenes 2004-10-11 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raziel
That's an extremely astute observation there, MJ. The only point of yours that I'd like to see references on would be the "concentration camps" argument. The rest of it was frighteningly accurate.

Vote Kerry/Edwards.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

You could probably find more information if you look up FEMA and the Rex 84 program.

Raziel 2004-10-11 12:41 AM

That certainly paints a pretty awful picture there, MJ. The thing that makes the concept of American-run internment camps even more plausible is the fact that we've done it in the past, and continue to do it (on much less severe levels) today. Anyone under the assumption that we've learned from our mistakes over the last 60 years need only watch recent videos of American soldiers humiliating and harassing nude, hooded Iraqui prisoners from the last year. We haven't learned anything, and if Bush sincerely supports Ashcroft's plans, I can't see how a single reasonable American could re-elect the man as the leader of our country.

This is sickening.

Sovereign 2004-10-11 12:49 AM

I can't wait till this stupid fucking election is over with

Raziel 2004-10-11 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovereign
I can't wait till this stupid fucking election is over with

"...and George W. Bush is out of office" is how you meant to end that one.

Kuja`s #1 2004-10-11 05:11 AM

I think Hitler was smarter than Bush. Bush is almost incapable of being articulate. Imagine all those long-winded speeches Hitler gave about Naziism that inspired his conrades; except they have "uh's" and other break-offs. Sad to say, but Hitler was a better leader.

And NO! I'm a communist not a Nazi. Some conservatives say there's no difference, but they're idiots.

Raziel 2004-10-11 06:25 AM

I absolutely agree that Hitler was a better leader than Bush. That's an indisputable fact. He managed to unite 100% of a failing and collapsing country under one banner and pull the entire nation's economy out from a post-World War defeat recession into a thriving and advancing military state. He did for that country what very few leaders in the history of the world have been able to do.

It just sucks that he had to do it by stomping on the backs of the Jewish, black, homosexual, gypsy and otherwise "imperfect" peoples.

Bush, on the other hand, has been stomping all over the backs of just about everyone but southern white men, and our economy is in decline as well as our country's entire morale. We're more divided now than we have been since I was born. He's a terrible leader.

Kuja`s #1 2004-10-11 08:24 AM

Toys r Us is going out of business. I have been shopping there since I was a kid. I don't know if that ties into Bush, but it sucks.

Is it just me, or was Bush extremely upset during both debates? He kept glaring and stuff. I mean, with my eyesight, it must be pretty easy for people to see.

KagomJack 2004-10-11 08:42 AM

Honestly, you just made me dislike George W. Bush more than I did before, but I wouldn't vote Kerry. He's just a pussy who will bend over to the will of the UN and allow us to be attacked. Vote Nader, he only wants to steal your car :)

Kuja`s #1 2004-10-11 09:55 AM

A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.

Kerry sucks. Don't diss the UN. They're the only source of sanity in the world scene. I'd take the collective, iimpartial(sp?) leaders of the UN over a naturally bias leader of one sole country.

Demosthenes 2004-10-11 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KagomJack
Honestly, you just made me dislike George W. Bush more than I did before, but I wouldn't vote Kerry. He's just a pussy who will bend over to the will of the UN and allow us to be attacked. Vote Nader, he only wants to steal your car :)

I want to know where you get the impression that "Kerry is a pussy who will bend over to the will of the UN and allow us to be attacked?" Look at that statement for a second. Why would it be in the UN's interest to allow us to get attacked? It wouldn't. No president would allow their conutry to get attacked. It's not in the best-interest for the president, nor the country. The only difference is that Kerry, I hope, would not go around flexing his country's millitary might on other sovereign nations. Plus, hasn't our country already been attacked under our current president despite the fact that his administration had intelligence reporting that Osama was planning on hijacking our planes?

On a different view-point, lets just say, hypothetically, that Kerry exhibits signs of "pussyness," however you want to describe that. What's worse? A president who has already taken away our civil liberties, constantly kept us in fear of a threat that doesn't exist (Iraq), whose administration has put forth an interest in resurrecting concentration camps in America, ruined our reputation with other countries because we have been attacking sovereign nations over the past five years, and proselytized you and many others, or a man who hasn't even had a chance to show you what he can do. I'm willing to take my chances with Kerry.

zagggon 2004-10-11 01:13 PM

Im just going to stand up for Bush because I see that nobody else is on this liberal forum. No point in going over the issues as nobody on this whole damn forum is a republican hence the effort would be futile. However just remember this Bush bashers, it's easy to get an easy win on a Bush bashing debate when there is only one or none as the opposition.

NonGayMan 2004-10-11 01:20 PM

I don't know if you believe any of this, but I thought this was pretty interesting.

http://mirrors.meepzorp.com/geocitie...sh-antichrist/

Also, I found this link somewhere a long time ago. According to them, the US has brainwashed us. http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scr...h/welcome.html

Grav 2004-10-11 01:20 PM

The reason to NOTE vote Bush is because he could bring about World War 3. Or worse. Knamean?

D3V 2004-10-11 01:42 PM

I just watched Farenheit 9/11 this past weekend. It's a great documentary slapped together by Micheal Moore.

I had never realized how awful of a person that Bush is. I went along thinking "Hey, this guy is just a dimwitted redneck....etc." But he is a great Business destroyer. It went on and on about how he destroyed many of the Businesses he ran.

But reference to G.W. compared to Hitler, look how Hitler blamed the Jews for what had happened to him, or whatever. Bush is doing the exact same thing with the 'Middle-Easterns'.

But good points, though, he can't be compared to Hitler. Even though Bush is leading us through a pointless ass war, and killing lots of innocent people, Hitler DID kill 11 MILLION people, which is a colossus number compared to the 10,000 or whatever that have died in Iraq.

If Bush is re-elected, he will drive America FURTHER into the ground, just like he did with all his previous businesses.

Demosthenes 2004-10-11 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zagggon
Im just going to stand up for Bush because I see that nobody else is on this liberal forum. No point in going over the issues as nobody on this whole damn forum is a republican hence the effort would be futile. However just remember this Bush bashers, it's easy to get an easy win on a Bush bashing debate when there is only one or none as the opposition.

I was in the same spot about a year and a half ago, except I was against Bush, when it seemed like everyone on this forum was for Bush.

KagomJack 2004-10-11 03:15 PM

Farenheit 9/11 is a propaganda movie with distorted truth. i've talked to people who are anti-Bush, but they agree that F9/11 isn't true.

Sovereign 2004-10-11 04:19 PM

Michael Moore hates America.


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