D3V permanently banned
 

For repeatedly breaking the Zelaron rules, for driving off GravitonSurge, Mjordan2nd and !King_Amazon!, and for ignoring repeated warnings by most staff members including myself.

I find it regrettable to have to go this far as he was a contributing member, but I have been far too lenient with him.

Consider this a starting point for some major change. We've been too passive in the past three years, allowing Zelaron to be a self-propelled machine suffocating in its own shadow. No more.

Does this mean we can break out the canes and the truncheons? <3

Oh, and I'm in two minds about the banning, in all honesty. Yes, he did have moments when he was a complete dick (the whole MJ saga), but he's contributed a lot - the Automotive forum is going to shrivel up and die.

It is certainly regrettable. As I have said numerous times, I would have preferred he just straighten up. He was a great member, when he wasn't being a jackass. Unfortunately, he just wouldn't change, even when Chruser himself told him to straighten up. Either way, he's gone now, and dwelling on that isn't going to help us any.

I think we all will have to make a conscious effort to bring some activity to the forums, now. Losing D3v will certainly have some sort of impact on activity. I see a lot of people say that they just don't find anything here interesting. If this is how you feel, try to figure out what would interest you. Post some things that interest you, or suggest new forums.

There are good things to come in Zelaron's future.

I think it's a mistake quite honestly. Granted, I haven't read all the posts that led up to all those people leaving, but that's probably because I was too busy reading all the good, contributing threads he started and posts he made. Back in the day, he was a lot more relentless and nothing was done about it, he simply became the whipping boy. For some reason people decided to start taking him seriously, and their feelings ended up getting hurt...

That is the part that I find ridiculous. I understand needing to get away from websites and this forum, because I fell in that stage myself, but I simply resigned as an Admin and just leisurely posted. I've continued that track for the last few years too, and things have been fine.

Banning someone permanently because a few members were too sensitive doesn't seem very justifiable. Then again, if all the members that left end up coming back and things have a turn for the better here, I'll agree that it was a good move, but I won't agree it was the correct one.

The "Few" members that he drove off were 10x better members then he will ever be. Losing one OK member and gaining three (or more) great, older members is a sacrifice that I am definitely willing to take.

if we lose people over time and get none then were losing people plus people are just going to the arcade for games so they dont log in and with armorgames and a bunch of others their gaining people while we are

Um...what now?

And, Spector, your post seems to indicate that the perma-ban of D3v will result in a return of those we've lost. Is this mere speculation or an educated conclusion?

I somehow missed the harassment he visited upon these members, yet assuming this is truth, I fully support the ban.

It's what will happen, probably. Mjordan, Grav, and I left because of D3v. D3v is gone, I'm back. Mjordan will probably return. Grav is an unknown.

D3V once said that he 'causes trouble to liven this place up'. He just went too far. I'm glad he's gone, because he always trolled and then played innocent when people called him out.

Glad to see you back, K_A.

I think I missed something here.. how exactly did D3V drive off three members? Grav left because he said posting on a forum is trivial and immature in his stage of life. How does that correlate with D3V? Sounds like a personal issue to me.

I understand why MJ left (he'll be back), but how did D3V drive off KA? Aren't you a Supreme Moderator here? How can a member cause you to stop posting?

And I REALLY don't agree with the permanent ban. Ban him for a month or two, but permanently over something like this?? Mantralord DDoSed the forums and tried to kill them for good for Christ's sake, and he's still allowed to post here. I'd say that's a way more harsher offense than what D3V did. And no matter what any of you says, D3V was at least 1/4th of the activity here. He made a ton of threads/posts and those in turn generated numerous responses, whether they be good or bad. Fact is, he has helped keep this place running the past couple of months. He's brought numerous ideas to the table on how to help Zelaron and make it more active.

This is the wrong move.

Seconded, for the same reasons.

I agree, D3V did bring livelihood into this website. Even if he the mods don't let him come back, I'll post more, since I haven't been posting much lately and Zelaron needs more contributions.

bumpage

Aside from D3V's rule-breaking: MJ will not be back due to D3V's actions (at least not for perhaps years to come, if ever), and GravitonSurve (who was arguably driven off by D3V) will most certainly never return. !K_A! returned, but others have threatened to leave because of D3V.

It is a fact that D3V has been a contributing member in several ways, but what makes you think he will not repeat his actions and destroy the rest of the community? He is the only contributing (i.e. human) member I have banned since LiveWire.

*claps*

All I have to say to MJ and Grav: you both are vaginas.

I still think a month, or two month ban would be quite better than permanently. Now that you've shown him you're serious about this, I gaurantee he would change. Zelaron is too big a part of his day for him to just disregard everything and continue to act like a jackass. But, I guess you've already made your decision so I can only disagree with it. Oh well. =\

To me, it is kinda nice that he is gone. I had so many reps from him for no reason that were just stupid and useless. It seemed like he would just rep for the sake of it. It will be nice now that he is gone.

Unfortunately, most likely he WOULDN'T change. That's the problem. We've banned and warned him numerous times. Chruser himself warned D3v, in hopes that D3v would take Chruser seriously and listen to him. D3v has shown that he isn't going to change.

I really wish he would, but he's not going to. Remember, I was the one who was fighting to bring back D3v in the first place, when he was permanently banned last time. I did this because I thought he had changed, and we needed some more activity. It is true that he's better now than he was, but he just crosses the line too much to the point that it has threatened the wellbeing of the forums. If he could stick to his good, productive member side, there wouldn't be a problem.

Point is, it's gotten to the point that it's clear that D3v won't change, and that's why it came to this. He's had numerous chances, and he doesn't change. D3v isn't going to stop being D3v, unfortunately. It's just his personality to press peoples buttons.

May be if the people he drove off were actually funny we'd feel less strongly about this :V

Do you mean more strongly?

No, because banning D3V just made it less entertaining

Yeah who am I gonna call out and rip on for being lame now? Kyeruu has been done to hell and I actually like Kagom and don't hate gay people so there's another no go.

On the topic though while I didn't like D3V I thought it was funny to argue with him just to see him worked up. Perhaps other people and I somewhat cintributed to his jackass-ish ways? Either way if it's definitive that members were leaving because of him I support the move. It sucks but sometimes it's for the best to simply tell someone to hit the road.

He was the entire reason I stopped posting. Thanks for giving me a reason to come back :tup:

Liar.

He might be full of shit about D3v being the entire reason, but every time I tried to get him to come back he'd bitch about D3v and wouldn't come back.

I think I missed something, then.

Darwin, why did you have such a big problem with D3V?

The general gayness of his, "I'm right your wrong now do what I say or I'll hurt you!" attitude.

I'm willing to place money on that.

justice prevails.

I think it's funny that just about everyone that I don't recognize here is all, "Why ban d3v? He'll be better. It's all gravy." While everyone that I do recognize is all, "Hooray!"

Because you know the smarter or more mature people.

I'm willing to put money on that too. Of course wherever I see Chuck Norris I always put money, just for good luck.

I think it's more because Bob knows the members who have been here for a long time, and we know D3v from way back. He's always been obnoxious.

I actually never had a real run-in with him, I believe. I've been gone for a while, did people start taking him seriously or something?

Apparently, yes. Which is my whole problem with this banning. When did people start taking this forum as a way of life and not as an entertaining part of life? Everyone is different - Some people come on here and post like they haven't had a lick of education their whole lives, other's post very thought invoking posts/threads, while others just peek in to see what's going on. Does that mean that any one of these members are better than others? Not in my opinion.

What makes a good member is someone that brings a lot of activity. Not every thread/post is going to bring positive comments that make everyone sit at their computer and have a good laugh, or really contemplate the meaning of life. Half of the activity on this damn forum is people squabbling and bickering over stupid shit - always has, and hopefully always will. For some reason is bring entertainment to people, like me. By banning someone permanently that brings that aspect to the table, as well as NUMEROUS very positive threads/posts is ridiculous.

Honestly, I don't post here enough to really see the effects is has, but like I said before, it was a pretty assinine decision.

I'm in full agreement with you. I haven't posted as much on here since D3V left. Why? Because he brought a SHITLOAD of activity with him, whether it was good or bad, it was still activity and that is something that Zelaron desperately needs.

And to KA, MJ, and Grav that threatened to leave or did leave because of D3V: you guys are incredibly sensitive pussies. Grow up. You're going to leave a forum because you have a problem with a certain member? There's an ignore feature here, USE IT. The more and more I think about this, I feel KA had a major role in D3V's permanent banning. It's a well known fact that KA and D3V didn't get along, correct? They've been feuding for years. KA threatens to leave the forums altogether if something isn't done, so Chruser perm bans D3V. There's no way in hell KA would have left the forums for good. He's been here since '02, he's got over 14,000 posts, there's no way he would leave Zelaron. So he threatened to just to have D3V banned. That's my take on this, anyway. I could be incredibly off-base but it makes perfect sense to me.

Either way, this whole issue is completely retarded.

omgzzzzz im gong to leeve here becuz i h8 u!!

I've been feuding with D3v for years? I guess that's why I'M the one who requested he be unbanned from his LAST permanent ban. I thought he had changed from his old self, and he had changed a lot. He most likely wouldn't have even been unbanned had it not been for me asking the staff to do so. Heck, when I got him unbanned, he didn't even want to come back. I think I remember even talking him into it.

Yeah, I've been calling for D3v to be permanently banned for months now. Obviously, if this were all because of me, D3v would have been gone long before now. I think Chruser and the rest of the staff were far too easy on him before, honestly. It took far too long for this to happen.

You can think what you want, but ultimately the decision was Chruser's. It wasn't me who convinced him, but numerous people. Hell, MJordan was taking the same position as you and Titus, and no more than a week later he had completely changed sides and was calling for D3v to be banned.

Just because I've been calling for it for months doesn't mean it was because of me. I'm just the first one who saw it. Everyone else gradually had their eyes opened, by D3v himself. Had he just left MJordan alone, most likely he never would have been banned, but instead he pissed off the one person (from a conversation that numerous people had with Chruser) who was saying "don't ban D3v."

We used to have a huge problem with each other back in the day. It was mostly because he's just a douche bag who thinks he's right about everything. He feels that if you have a different opinion, you're uneducated.

I eventually stopped trying to patch things up with him on AIM after be blocked me twice. I dropped everything and tried to start fresh with him when he first came back but he kept it going. Now that time is over. Everyone who remembers who he used to be knows that he's just an asshole deep down inside.

The reasons for D3V being banned are all now false. There is no reason for the ban to continue.

Looks like I was right.

So what is the reason D3V is staying banned..? Anybody? From what I've gathered, Chruser doesn't care if D3V is banned or not, he'd be all for unbanning him.... BUT... KA is preventing this.

Why does KA have more authority than Chruser in this matter?

I've never heard anything like this from Chruser. From what I've heard, Chruser is still opposed to his un-banning as of last week.

Or perhaps D3v is once again just trying to start shit. But sure, buy into what he says and start calling me a Nazi again or something.

D3v lives in his own little world. I don't know where he got the idea that Chruser "would be all for unbanning him," but that's not the case. If it were, he wouldn't be banned.

"[12:21] Colon: chruser told me the other day that the ban had no reason to still be in tact, but it was that K_A doesn't want me to come back which is why I am not unbanned..."

All that is is D3v trying to start something.