College Scholarships
 

Should scholarships that are funded however be alotted to a person(s) because of their nationality?

Regardless of their grades/gpa/attendance and well-roundedness.

I'm just curious of why there are still such biased ideas floating around. I think personally that after we elect a black president everything should become equal :)

It should not be based upon race. It should be based upon grades/gpa/attendance and well-roundedness. If colleges could get high school transcripts without description of race, there would be no discrimination.

I have actually changed my opinion on affirmative action and think that they should be allotted with race as a factor in some cases. I have tests all week. If you want a more reasoned response, give me until . . . Sunday.

This tends to be my opinion and I'm pretty sure everything MJ is going to say is basically what I would say if I weren't a lazy ass. So what he said and is going to say is what I say.

Schollarships should be based entirely off of academic potential and financial resources already available. Unfortunately, it seems that the people deciding will always have bias if they know about other stuff, so requiring certain percentage allocations is a necessary evil for now. Scholarships where the primary requirement is that you are a certain race, however, are retarded.

I have not investigated this particular issue in detail as educational politics in the U.S. are beyond my temporal scope these days.

At the risk of appearing ignorant, racist and autocratic, I will henceforth make various assumptions as an experiment in seeing if U.S. politics can be trivialized without having read any relevant news from the U.S. since year -∞.

Most (long-established) instititions, organizations and foundations responsible for offering scholarships in the U.S. are domineered by racist, imperialist caucasians who somehow think the white mind is the right mind. In response to this, in the conjoined sheeple's mind's pursuit of equilibrium and delightful heat death of the universe, some scholarships are now being specifically granted to members of particular ethnical minorities to offer them a so-called chance. Subsequently, the former racists are accusing the latter racists of publicly being racist.

So, should these "racist" scholarships be allowed to exist? No. The system itself should be fixed, e.g. by:

• Removing ethnicities from school transcripts as suggested earlier in this thread, saving an average of over 9.42 billion liters of printer ink every year.[1]
  
  
• Automatically assigning random 10-character alphanumerical names to all inhabitants, thus preventing the possibility of racial recognition through locally unconventional and foreign names. Natural selection would thus, as a bonus, favor those with intellects capable of remembering character strings more complex than "Pokemon", failing the rest at the "Name" part of college entrance exams.
  
  
• Genetically reprogramming caucasians using nanotechnology to prevent their ability to visually distinguish different colors and values. And for the sake of benevolence and equality, by giving everyone else the same treatment.

Thus we have concluded some possible advantages of removing racist scholarships from the U.S. educational system.

It has more to do with socioeconomic status than race. Having race based scholarships should be against the law. If you're anything but white you've access to great scholarships at my college that is NOT dependant on financial need. It's a rather low GPA requirement and you get free college. It's bullshit.

eh my posts are useless. fuck em.

Scholarships should be awarded entirely on academic merit. To make race a factor is plain stupid.

It's definitely a failing in the English education system (note I said English - Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland have separate ways of dealing with education) in that Universities get money for meeting a sort of "race quota", if you will. Each University has a certain number of scholarships and places they can award for each course. They could award them all to British students, and not receive as much money in the form of government funding, or they can award a small number to foreign students and get more money.

I've got friends who have had their applications declined simply because the University in question needed to fill their race quota. It's something that a lot of teachers get angry about, and something that you see discussed with a lot of venom on forums for Universities.

Education as a whole should not take race into account. If someone has the ability to earn places at top Universities through academic achievement, then they deserve to get in... not because the Government says every Johnny Foreigner accepted = cash.

The idea behind affirmative action is not that people of minorities are more deserving on scholarships or jobs, but rather that, if the government doesn't step in, people of race will be less likely to get these things than the non-minorities.

For instance, there are a lot of areas of the US that it would probably be very, very hard for a black person to get hired if there were no such thing as affirmative action. Unfortunately, this means either the government leaves things like they are, or they step in and "fix it." It isn't much of a fix, but it's at least better than it would be without it.

It's a very expensive band-aid on a massive gaping wound. Sure, it helps the black and other minority communities, but it breeds scorn in the long-run. There's quite a bit of ill will to the thought that tuition or tax dollars from the majority are being disproportionately spent on the minority. I'm not trying to be racist or stereotypical, but at some point enough is enough. Handouts aren't going to make you want to work harder. It gives a sense of entitlement that will ill prepare you for the future.

Sure, you can argue that they "paid their dues when their ancestors were slaves, or they were exploited by white settlers blah blah blah." How many generations must elapse before these unofficial "reparations" must go away? Do you not see how this keeps the gap large?

What is this attitude of: "WE ONLY WANT THE BEST, UNLESS YOU'RE A MINORITY THEN YOU ADD TO OUR 'DIVERSITY'." It doesn't matter about your socioeconomic status for the "diversity" scholarship at my university. It's purely race based with VERY LOOSE academic requirements. You need to have a pulse to get free or VERY CHEAP school. Socioeconomic status has MORE to do with your disadvantages than the color of your skin. This should be unconstitutional.

Anyways, I'm done ranting about institutional reverse racism.

But you're missing the point. I'm not saying they should get jobs because their ancestors suffered. I'm saying that if you don't require employers to employ a certain number of minorities, then a lot of employers won't hire minorities. If this were because minorities were lazy asses, I'd be fine with it, but it's not. For the most part, I'd say minorities work a lot harder than non-minorities do, and they get a lot less for what they do. The reason people wouldn't hire them is BECAUSE they are minorities.

But you're missing my point. When you give entitlements it only perpetuates the problem. If you really want to solve the issues it's gonna take something different than that. But anyways, I still don't understand why it's constitutional for there to be race based scholarships. Socioeconomics works fine. But no, being poor isn't enough. You have to be poor and of a certain hue. You can be beaten out by a kid who isn't as smart but whose parents just happened to be a certain color. It's silly.

Race should not be a consideration. Period.

But Race is going to be a consideration regardless of whether or not the government steps in. I will agree that the fix isn't the best one, but here's how it is:

Someone doesn't get a scholarship because they are black.
Someone gets a scholarship because they are black.

Both are wrong, but I would rather someone GET a scholarship BECAUSE they are black, rather than NOT get a scholarship BECAUSE they are black.

A black person doesn't get a job because the employer is racist.
A black person gets a job because the government requires the employer to hire a certain amount of minorities.

Same situation. Both are dumb, but one is less dumb than the other.

There are plenty of intelligent people who are minorities who can earn their scholarships without handouts. Do Southerners get admitted to (insert ivy league) because their education system is lacking compared to the rest of the U.S.? Do they have certain slot reservations? Because that is just as relevant as race.

I just think wealth redistribution based on race is not the way to solve the conflicts over the deep cultural differences between whites and minorities (mostly blacks, I'd say).

And those same intelligent people who are minorities might also get denied simply because they are a minority, if the person judging them is a racist. In some areas of our country, that is not unheard of.

Considering race in a beneficial way (to minorities) is legal. In a non-beneficial way (to minorities) is illegal.

I know. That's affirmative action.