Should D3V be unbanned?
 

Per Chruser and D3V's requests, I'm making a poll for everyone to vote on.

D3V has promised he will change. Zelaron is an important part of his day and he really misses this place. I'm not trying to make this a sob story, because yes he was an asshole at times, but who wasn't? Honestly, haven't you all had harsh feelings towards somebody on here? IMO, that's something that makes Zelaron unique. We're free to say pretty much anything we want without repurcussions from the Staff.

Remember this, when D3V first registered he was a KKK-promoting, racist asshole piece of shit. He now fully supports a black man running for president and he even admits he was an idiot back then. People can change their opinions and turn into something better.

I'm not crusading to get him back, either. I have been asked by Chruser to make a poll. So, please vote.

Thank you.

i vote for him back

Then vote, please.

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39614 (him being an ass)

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40618 (him being an ass)

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43403 (him promising to straighten up)

I say bring him back only if his member title is Paris Hilton

Kazilla's reasoning for the "No"

Kazilla: i dont like someone bring able to reverse a ban - because i was banned once from somewhere and it never got reversed
[15:47] Kazilla: even thought i really liked the forums i was banned from i controbuted guides and walkthroughs
[15:47] Kazilla: but nope nada - so thats my feelings on bannings

Personal grudge much?

personal grudge? or personal experience? lol

2006? Yeah, good evidence.

Thanatos has the right of it in his OP - when he was first around, D3V was a racist bigot who took every chance he could get to insult others. When he returned at the end of 2007, he'd changed dramatically. in fact I can't remember a time when he's been like his old self. He cntributed an insance amount of activity, and got the Automotive forum going (which, in terms of small, specialised hobby forums, was a success). The disagreements he had with other members were, to be frank, hilarious. He was always blamed completely for the disagreements, but in truth it was halfsies with the other person, who usually provoked him and did nothing to let it die out, such as ignoring D3Vs posts. I will say that he was a complete dick with MJ/Des, though. If he does come back and starts on that again, I'll have words with him.

In conclusion, I like the fellow and wouldn't mind having him back. I won't be held responsible for all his actions, but I will take time to 'advise' him.

Grav and MJ are most likely gone for good. Based on D3V's past offenses, I don't see how a small boost in activity will make up for the risk of losing additional members. That being said, Thanatos' point about D3V's significant changes over the course of his membership is good.

I am against unbanning D3V, but if you (the members) want him back, his ban will either be converted into one limited by time (e.g. two weeks), or he will be unbanned at once. Just don't expect me to be surprised if he gets banned again.

The point is - if he promised to straighten up in 2006 - why would him promising now be any different?

I'm yet to see solid evidence that D3V drove Grav off. It's said that he 'scared' him by digging up info on him, but then people have said that Grav simply got bored of talking on forums, and left to experience real life.

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Check your dates - that was 2007.

Well, put him on a temp unban first, like a trial unbanning. After two weeks, he'll earn another 4, and so forth. I say unban him, he's a good poster.

zomg im sorry - missed it by a year.../sigh

The point is there shouldnt be the rumor that he scared Grav off. If he wasnt the asshat he is / was then there would be no reasons to suspect him of Grav's absence

Exactly. This is Grav's last post:

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread....925#post627925

It mentions nothing of D3V.

And if MJ left because of D3V, why hasn't MJ come back? D3V has been gone for months and I'm sure somebody has contacted MJ telling him D3V is gone. Where is he?

i think i was the one who drove off mj i was arguing with him then i never seen him again

MJ was having problems IRL, which is why he needed the name change. He did say, at one point, that he'd rarely be online. I think D3V sped up the leaving process, which is sad. I imagine MJ will be back at some point in the future, regardless of D3V's status. As far as I could tell, the only friction between the two was the MJ/Des saga.

page 3 mentions how d3v threatened to post all of gravs information if he pissed him off. thus causing him to 'disappear'

but d3v has changed so hell forgive the people he is aposively drove off

What else is new?

Hah, D3v was never a racist asshole, nor did he promote the KKK. He was TROLLING. That's what D3v did, that's what D3v does, and that's what D3v will continue to do. He has ALWAYS been a troll.

As stated above, D3v was trolling when he first came here. He only acted like a racist to get a rise out of people.

I don't think anyone has ever disputed the fact that D3v created a lot of activity and was a great member, when he wasn't being a complete dick. You say that D3v was always blamed when it was actually equally the other persons fault, but I disagree. That was the case a lot of the time, especially in the beginning. However, there were numerous cases where people would attempt to ignore D3v and he would continue pressing their buttons. It almost seemed like ignoring him just made him try harder.

MJordan, the only person we know of that had contact with Grav after he left, told us that Grav had told him the reason that he left was because of D3v.

On top of Grav and MJordan, however, there's also Slim and MedievalBob who have both claimed they've left because of D3v in the past.

Here's what I suggest:

Someone vouch for D3v. Thanatos, most likely. When D3v comes back and eventually gets banned again, Thanatos does as well. If you've really got faith that D3v has changed, put your money where your mouth is and show it.

MJ is unable to return because of IRL problems that D3v caused to become worse. MJ had to have his name changed because of his IRL problems, and D3v went out of his way to make it obvious to any outside visitor that "Desmethones" was MJordan. This got MJordan into some sort of IRL trouble that has caused him to be unable to return.

It should be stated that MJordan was AGAINST banned D3v when talks of permanently banning D3v were happening. D3v would have been permanently banned earlier than he was if it hadn't been for MJordan. D3v just so happened to pick the one person keeping him from being banned to piss off.

not allways we did help me argue with mj when i was first here

Jamer, you did not run off MJ.

I don't think he should come back. He likes to start too much trouble and push shit too far.

What's the big fucking deal about unbanning him? MJ didn't have his personal life ruined for good because of this. In fact, when I last talked to him a month or two ago he was considering posting again. However, he decided not to. If he fucks up again, ban him again, but if not why not give the fellow another try? If any current poster leaves because D3v starts posting again it's because they're a pussy and can't take any heat at all. If you're on zelaron and can't take flaming then you're screwed in the first place, imo.

Again, to reiterate, if he shows he turned over a new league then keep him. If he acts like a dick and scares people off ban him for another 6 months. I -really- don't think he had information on Grav that scared Grav off. Grav has his own shit going on. As not to say that Grav didn't get tired of D3v, but I really don't think D3v's capable of finding such sensitive info.

Finally, some reasoning. Good post.

Why should it be me? So you can find some bullshit reason to get rid of somebody else you don't like?

Some of you guys are taking this forum way too seriously. Wow, he made Grav and MJ leave (if that's even the case). Zelaron is not the most important thing in Grav and MJ's lives, obviously. If they really wanted to come back, they would, plain and simple. Once MJ gets this stuff taken care of, he'll come back. I guarantee this is not the last time we'll hear from MJ. Putting the entire, direct blame on a certain individual for causing two members to leave is ridiculous. There are more important things IRL than worrying about D3V making fun of you on a forum. If you honestly can't take the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen. Grav was a VERY big asshole back in his days, all he did was troll, and I'm sure he pissed people off to the point where they thought about leaving. You can't tell me he didn't.

Also, there is an ignore feature on this forum that you can block a certain user's posts. UTILIZE IT. That's a way better solution if you have a problem with somebody than leaving altogether.

finilly theres theres piont

You are the most active person in his unbanning, you are making threads and throwing out as manay reasons as you can to bring him back - like KA said. if you are so confident he has changed then you would be willing to put your name on the line.

I made this thread per Chruser's request. I wouldn't have done so if I had not been asked to. Please read the opening post more carefully next time and use better judgement before posting. I know that is a lot to ask but you have to try.

I never really said it should be you, I just figured you would be one of the only people willing. I also don't understand where you get the idea that I don't like you. If anything, it's the other way around. I don't think I've ever really given you any reason to think I don't like you, while on the other hand you've made your dislike for me very clear numerous times.

I don't think it's too much to ask. If someone wants D3v back so bad, and they're claiming he has changed, they should have no problem vouching for him, unless they don't believe that he has changed. Clearly, if nobody is willing to vouch for him, nobody truly believes he has changed, and he has no business returning.

its not just this thread, you go on and on in chatbox about how he has changed in before chruser said make a poll you were in the chatbox typing away saying he has changed, he is different, i want to talk football with someone plz zomg plz halp. Vouch for him and he should be welcomed back, if he gets banned again you go away too.

If you dont want him back as bad as we all think you do - then stop with threads begging to get him back, stop saying he made so much activity in the automotive forum, and start moving on.

Holy shit you've been here for like two weeks, shut the fuck up already. I'm starting to think you're the dumbest member here. Yes, even jamer is smarter than you and he can't even spell his own username correctly. I made one thread before this one and I only made this thread because Chruser told me to IN THE CHATBOX, so yes I'm going to talk about it with him in the fucking chatbox.

Fucking idiot. As far as I'm concerned, your opinion is void because you're a dumbass.

lol, thanks -- you gave me my laugh for the day. obviously he hasnt changed or you wouldnt have any problem putting your name on the line. You know better because he hasnt changed. That should be the end of this thread.

Also its 2 years, im sorry you clicked the link 4 years before i did. That definetly makes me the dumbass of these forums. Your logic is as bad as mine at times. ;)

It's a fallacy to really link D3V and Thanatos together. Sure, they did used to talk a lot on here and have similar personalities, but I don't think Thanatos is the one saying he should come back. He is simply a tool for Chruser's work. If Thanatos really want D3V back, he would've made more threads about unbanning D3V, been posting more threads in the TTS, and basically being a whiny bitch until he came back. No one should have to vouch for D3V. If D3V stays banned, so be it. If he comes back and then fucks up, he simply gets banned again. We shouldn't have to lose another good member because K_A has something up is ass and obviously has something against Thanatos.

He's right, Kazilla. You're a whiny little bitch with little intelligience. He wasn't referring to longevity, either. Just simply pointing out that you have no known the condition of the forums before you returned. Go crawl back into your hole.

Oh, sorry if this seems like I'm defending Thanatos, but Kazilla is a dumbass. For dignity's sake, fuck you Thanatos.

Fuck you too, buddy.

And you pretty much summed up this entire situation. I could care less if D3V is banned or unbanned. It doesn't bother me one bit. I do want him back, but if the decision is made to keep him banned, whatever it's not my decision. I simply made this thread because Chruser asked me to. Looking back on it, he should have made it so I didn't get flamed 10 ways from Sunday.

lol you guys make me laugh so much its hard to read your posts. more more

If you can't post a rebuttal or point out where my logic is wrong in that post, then your reply is useless and can be deemed as spam. I know, it's easier to be 'oh shit I got owned, so I'm gonna act like they don't know what they are talking about and laugh at them' than to point out where I was wrong. You're about as useless as hotdog when it comes to reasoning and arguing. Please stop spamming.

this entire thread is spam, it isnt needed - the point of a ban is to get rid of the people who dont deserve to be where they were. Why unban someone who is banned, why are you guys fighting so hard to get the asshat back? It is retarded. hotdog is my idle - its true. I could only wish to follow in his exact footprints.

This message is hidden because Kazilla is on your ignore list.

Best thing I ever did!

Ya know, I'm really contemplating the same thing.

See how easy it is to ignore somebody on this site? lawl

If I use ocean I can't even click on View Post. I love it. I bet if he were arguing IRL he'd have his hands over his ears going 'La la la la la la la can't hear you la la la la la la!'

I don't have anything against Thanatos or anyone else. I simply think asking for SOMEONE, not necessarily Thanatos or anyone else in particular, to vouch for D3v is just asking for someone to show that they think D3v has changed, rather than just say it.

The fact of the matter is, everyone here knows that D3v hasn't changed and he never will. Nobody is going to vouch for him because they know that that's a guaranteed ban for them as well. If someone REALLY does think he has changed and wants to vouch for him, I see no reason not to give him a chance. Hopefully they are right and he has changed.

However, if nobody trusts that he has changed enough to risk getting themselves banned, I don't see how it's worth the time or the effort of unbanning him and going through all of this again.

well said

First thing, asshat should be declared a privileged word and only a few people should use it. Namely Thanatos, K_A, HoH, WKFF, and Chruser since they don't go out of their way to use it.

Secondly, what the fuck? Ninety percent of the spam in this thread comes from you, Kazilla. I have a solution for this problem though: how 'bout you take that hotdog out of your ass, spell idol right, and skip the fuck on down to another thread.

For someone who really doesn't know D3V, or technically most of the members on this forum, it seems that all you're doing is hopping on the side of "justice" with no particular goal whatsoever. Yes, D3V was a dick. I don't really know anything about MJ/Grav leaving, so I won't comment. You should do the same. Despite the large amount of asshole D3V was, he contributed so much to the activity. He was constantly suggesting new things.

Seriously, to reorganize what Thanatos said to make it easier for you to read, "Quit being a baby, this is just a forum."