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Adrenachrome 2008-02-20 03:43 PM

Obama’s Communist Mentor
 
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

It isn't my view that Obama would turn the U.S. into a communist country, but I don't like the affinity for it...

Do you guys not see the danger of Marxism?

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 04:37 PM

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Do you guys not see the danger of Marxism?

I am a Marxist in principle.

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 05:48 PM

So I just read that. You guys really should too! Obama is definitely a communist or a fascist! You want proof? Baby, they got proof. Cliff Kincaid has all the evidence you need. Just read the link Adrena posted. Get this: when Obama lived in Hawaii during his preteen and teen years he recalls being visited by a man named Frank, a black poet who had once hung out with Langston Hughes in Chicago. And they think that man was Frank Marshall Davis, who was outed as a commie by Joseph McCarthy in the 50s.

What? You need more evidence that Obama is a commie? Damn, you people are skeptical. Well take this, you pagan secular humanist Jew-loving socialists: Lisa Schiffren knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama is a commie because she knows lots of mixed race couples and mixed race couples are always communists:

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Obama and I are roughly the same age. I grew up in liberal circles in New York City -- a place to which people who wished to rebel against their upbringings had gravitated for generations. And yet, all of my mixed race, black/white classmates throughout my youth, some of whom I am still in contact with, were the product of very culturally specific unions. They were always the offspring of a white mother, (in my circles, she was usually Jewish, but elsewhere not necessarily) and usually a highly educated black father. And how had these two come together at a time when it was neither natural nor easy for such relationships to flourish? Always through politics. No, not the young Republicans. Usually the Communist Youth League. Or maybe a different arm of the CPUSA. But, for a white woman to marry a black man in 1958, or 60, there was almost inevitably a connection to explicit Communist politics.
Game, set and match, Obama, you commie pinko! But wait, she's not done yet:

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Political correctness was invented precisely to prevent the mainstream liberal media from persuing the questions which might arise about how Senator Obama's mother, from Kansas, came to marry an African graduate student. Love? Sure, why not? But what else was going on around them that made it feasible? Before readers level cheap accusations of racism -- let's recall that the very question of interracial marriage only became a big issue later in the 1960s. The notion of a large group of mixed race Americans became an issue during and after the Vietnam War. Even the civil-rights movement kept this culturally explosive matter at arm's distance.
And therefore...Stalin himself was the one who set up Obama's parents, with the explicit goal of creating a charismatic communist son who would one day take over the United States and bring back the Glorious Revolution. Christ. This may be the most ridiculous political smear campaign I have ever seen.

I would say that this is in the realm of crazy tin foil hat conspiracies, except that would be an insult to crazy tin foil hat conspiracists. The only different between the National Review blogger and the crazy guy on the street corner is that the National Review blogger probably bathes more regularly.

The constant stream of bullshit that the conservative movement generates completely outstrips one's ability to parody it. Keep in mind this spew is not on some white power website, but on the website of a widely respected conservative magazine (although it's getting harder and harder to tell them apart, isn't it...).

I would love to live in an era where I could argue with conservatives over tax policy or budget items. Sadly, I do not. Instead, the conservative movement is in thrall to absolute lunatics. Like the creationists, they do not rethink and reconsider, they regroup and rearm.

If there's one good non-policy related thing that will come from Obama's candidacy, it is that it will finally force the mainstream to confront the lunatic and the prejudiced base of the Republican Party. Since the Nixon era, Republicans have been able to have it both ways: they are allowed to make racist dog whistles, while at the same time, claim they are not racist. But to go after Obama like this is so overt that these attacks can't avoid notice.

Of course, this assumes the political press corps will decide to report about it....

!King_Amazon! 2008-02-20 05:53 PM

I didn't even bother reading this because I know it's just a bunch of bullshit already.

I also heard Obama is a muslim and he's the illigitimate child of McCain.

Grav 2008-02-20 06:03 PM

That was funny shit.

Adrenachrome 2008-02-20 06:17 PM

Racism racism racism, who is bringing up race?

And when did anyone say Obama was a communist?

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Originally Posted by Adrenachrome
I don't like the affinity for it...

Just incase you are confused, affinity means an attraction to, not steadfastily believing in. Though maybe I'll actually read your idiotic post later if I get bored.

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenachrome
Just incase you are confused, affinity means an attraction to, not steadfastily believing in.

WHOA! Thanks for the English lesson! Until now I was under the impression that Oxygen's high electron affinity meant that Oxygen had promiscuous sexual relationships with electrons, not that it simply attracted electrons. This clarifies that borderline A in chemistry!!

Adrenachrome 2008-02-20 06:37 PM

Sure Sure, I'm sure you meant well in that last post, but the questions I raised still stand.

Where did I state that he is a Communist?

Who keeps bringing up race?

slaynish 2008-02-20 06:37 PM

lol. actually, Fluorine has the highest electron affinity on the table of elements...

Grav 2008-02-20 06:39 PM

Thank you, high school!

Adrenachrome 2008-02-20 06:40 PM

Damn and here I thought this forum section would be devoid of spam.

slaynish 2008-02-20 06:42 PM

lmfao you thought wrong ;)

lmao more like Thank you 1st semester of sophomore year.

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenachrome
Where did I state that he is a Communist?

That's such a load of crap. First off, you want to link to an article saying that Obama has communist ties, raising the idea that he has communist "affinities", and then you want to turn around and claim, "well I didn't explicitly state that he's communist." Don't obfuscate things with semantic arguments.

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Who keeps bringing up race?
Read the article I linked to.

slaynish 2008-02-20 06:55 PM

He didn't state he was comminust. He just said he had affinities and ties. I read no where that he said he was a commi.

That would be like me saying that I have affinities to dudes, and all my friends are queers. But that doesn't mean I'm gay myself.

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by slaynish
He didn't state he was comminust. He just said he had affinities and ties. I read no where that he said he was a commi.

That would be like me saying that I have affinities to dudes, and all my friends are queers. But that doesn't mean I'm gay myself.

Context is such a wicked concept. Don't worry, that's not until junior year of high-school.

slaynish 2008-02-20 07:03 PM

Context doesn't mean shit. Aren't you a junior anyways, MJ?

But in this case, context doesnt mean shit. You accused him of saying it. He did not directly say it.

Grav 2008-02-20 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by slaynish
Context doesn't mean shit. Aren't you a junior anyways, MJ?

But in this case, context doesnt mean shit. You accused him of saying it. He did not directly say it.

He's almost a junior. In college.

P.S. You are wrong, and are playing Bill O'Reilly games.

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by slaynish
Context doesn't mean shit.

Wow, I lost that one hard.

slaynish 2008-02-20 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Grаν¡tоnЅurgе
He's almost a junior. In college.

P.S. You are wrong, and are playing Bill O'Reilly games.


He's only a year older than me though...

slaynish 2008-02-20 07:35 PM

In this case, and some others, it doesn't. Just because somebody says something it doesnt necessarily mean they believe in it.

Grav 2008-02-20 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by slaynish
He's only a year older than me though...

That's correct. He makes you look foolish.

!King_Amazon! 2008-02-20 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by slaynish
He's only a year older than me though...

Exactly. MJ>Slaynish.

slaynish 2008-02-20 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Grаν¡tоnЅurgе
That's correct. He makes you look foolish.


That's okay. He's a fucking genius.

Grav 2008-02-20 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by slaynish
That's okay. He's a fucking genius.

We'll send you a postcard.

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by slaynish
Just because somebody says something it doesnt necessarily mean they believe in it.

I wish I could say that about evolution denialists.

D3V 2008-02-21 06:38 AM

Wow this has gotten way off topic.

Though, I guess having such a load of crap article it's okay to go off topic. Adrena, who are you going to support in the general election? I'm sure I could throw down all day long on any candidate that you support as soon as you tell me. I would assume Mitt Romney, and so awesomely he has dropped out of the race. But go ahead and fill me in.


It's much easier to bring somebody/something else down than something you believe in.

Thanatos 2008-02-21 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Grаν¡tоnЅurgе
We'll send you a postcard.

We?

get off mj's balls? lawl

Adrenachrome 2008-02-21 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by D3V
Wow this has gotten way off topic.

Though, I guess having such a load of crap article it's okay to go off topic. Adrena, who are you going to support in the general election? I'm sure I could throw down all day long on any candidate that you support as soon as you tell me. I would assume Mitt Romney, and so awesomely he has dropped out of the race. But go ahead and fill me in.


It's much easier to bring somebody/something else down than something you believe in.

If for some magical reason Ron Paul is on the ballot he will get my vote first.
I believe we need a president that respects and understands our Constitution.

This person needs to understand personal responsibility and the fact that the federal government does not have the right to deal in things the states are designed to do, say abortion, education, drugs, and many other policies.

I for a strong border but expedited immigration processes, there should be no reason to me, to force a qualified individual to wait for years and years to become a citizen.

I see that throughout history freedom never destroys a nation, government does.


That Brings me to McCain, I don't like him so much, his attacks on the UFC, political free speech, I do not like the fact that he pushes bills that forgive millions of criminals, people that knowingly broke the law, and just forgive them,.. There are many things I do not like about him, I do not like the fact that he will keep our military noses up the ass of the whole world, but to me it's better than ignoring threats all together. He pledges to keep taxes low and not create more government beauracracies, he recognizes high taxes, and bullshit wastefull and entitlement spending crushes the economy.

Hillary is horrifying.

Though he has no chance, I actually voted for Huckabee in the primary. His connection to religion obviously has nothing to do with it, it's because of the FairTax.

The fact is, that neither party really captures my views but I see the most dangerous thing for this country is government schools(teachers unions in particular) The monopoly on education in this country is sickening, and welfare. Punishing those who achieve and rewarding those who fail is for sure counterproductive. I know there is a mass of people in this country that really could not or cannot support themselves, they do need help. But I believe that without the burden of government a more prosperous public would be more generous in the first place.


If it's Billary, I will vote republican for sure. if it's Obama I am undecided

Asamin 2008-02-21 02:09 PM

[quote]Game, set and match, Obama, you commie pinko! But wait, she's not done yet:[quote]
Do you have any idea how much stuff is just made up during a presidential campaign? I think not!
Try this, it makes fun of the fact that people make stuff up during a campaign:
http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...most_important

D3V 2008-02-21 02:23 PM

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If for some magical reason Ron Paul is on the ballot he will get my vote first.
I believe we need a president that respects and understands our Constitution.

This person needs to understand personal responsibility and the fact that the federal government does not have the right to deal in things the states are designed to do, say abortion, education, drugs, and many other policies.

I for a strong border but expedited immigration processes, there should be no reason to me, to force a qualified individual to wait for years and years to become a citizen.

I see that throughout history freedom never destroys a nation, government does.
You know, Besides Ron Paul's view on Medicare and Medicaid I really like him, he seems like a good guy, almost Huckabee-esque, thought not as preachery.


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That Brings me to McCain, I don't like him so much, his attacks on the UFC, political free speech, I do not like the fact that he pushes bills that forgive millions of criminals, people that knowingly broke the law, and just forgive them,.. There are many things I do not like about him, I do not like the fact that he will keep our military noses up the ass of the whole world, but to me it's better than ignoring threats all together. He pledges to keep taxes low and not create more government beauracracies, he recognizes high taxes, and bullshit wastefull and entitlement spending crushes the economy.
This will definately come out after the two individuals are elected. I really don't see McCain winning against Hillary or Barack, I really do now see Barack taking out HIllary and sweeping McCain.


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Hillary is horrifying.
Couldn't agree more, I heard her last night (or the night before?) and her voice absolutely drove me up the wall.

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Though he has no chance, I actually voted for Huckabee in the primary. His connection to religion obviously has nothing to do with it, it's because of the FairTax.
Don't forget Colbert, he is his running mate! LOL

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The fact is, that neither party really captures my views but I see the most dangerous thing for this country is government schools(teachers unions in particular) The monopoly on education in this country is sickening, and welfare. Punishing those who achieve and rewarding those who fail is for sure counterproductive. I know there is a mass of people in this country that really could not or cannot support themselves, they do need help. But I believe that without the burden of government a more prosperous public would be more generous in the first place.

I just can't stand people that are against Obama. He's the only candidate still running that has proposed tax cuts for college studens, a check you can obtain from the government as basically a grant to help pay for school, it's something like 4,000 a year for tuition. That'a amazing, I don't care if they have to restructure how they pay for things in the country, Education is the most important thing for the advancement in our country, we need to get out of backwoods redneck politics and become a greater, more education nation that can grow and still compete in the global economy.


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If it's Billary, I will vote republican for sure. if it's Obama I am undecided
That's hopeful, atleast in my opinion. I see Obama as getting more Independants than Mccain, on the sole fact of the War in Iraq. It's very simple, McCain supports staying at war forever, Obama wants a phased withdrawl within his first year in office (not the stupid ass proposals of 90 days like Hillary who doesn't know jackshit about military operations)

Adrenachrome 2008-02-21 02:31 PM

Big tax breaks for college students is huge, but I was more pointing out the lower schools, I think they need to restore competetion between schools, Private schools that would be competing for students and money, the better a school the more students and money, the better education. The way they simply lower standards so that no school is 'left behind' is disgusting, standards need to be raised higher and higher and higher.

Keep in mind these people are running for the office of Commander and Chief of the United States Armed Services, not the board of education, not to run the economy, not for enviornmental protection. This person's job is not going to be to decide interest rates or wages, not to run the lives of individuals at all.

If you really want things changed, your congressperson is where the real power is.

D3V 2008-02-21 02:40 PM

Well, some of that may be true, and the President does hold the power to be Commander in Chief, but that's not the only thing the president is responsible at all, not even close.

If the president wants anything done, he/she has more power than any individual in the rest of the country to get it done. He also has the power to veto everything that congress sends his way, and when you really sit down and think about it, he is going to be assisting in running the economy, he really will be setting standards for automotive plants, which will help protect the enviorment, what i'm saying is there are tons of aspects of being president.

I just hope we can move past this election, back together as a country, economy, and continue to challenge the rest of the nations around us intellectually and economically.

Adrenachrome 2008-02-22 07:36 PM

He pledges to raise taxes on businesses. How do you think that will effect the economy?

Lenny 2008-02-23 08:15 AM

Make some of them less enthused about trading in America, causing them to possibly look for new markets, especially in Western Europe... where they'll also be taxed highy. :) Which isn't really the best way to go. Your economy is nowhere near as strong as it once was, which needs to be dealt with, especially after the fiasco with all the money lenders in the middle of last year.

D3V 2008-03-10 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Adrenachrome
He pledges to raise taxes on businesses. How do you think that will effect the economy?


Show me a bit of proof on this, and what exactly you are refferring to.

And in that time, reiterate about how a war that costs $110 million a day effects the economy? I'm pretty sure a 1% fucking increase on taxes of companies outsourcing their jobs is not even remotely similar to the war funding that's wasting every last bit of our resources.


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