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!King_Amazon! 2007-10-09 09:24 AM

My Guess
 
Hillary will be the next president. It goes against what I've been saying, but I think that is what is going to happen.

D3V 2007-10-09 09:26 AM

I don't see it happening. The polls are obstructed from what the majority of people out there actually believe, it's going to be a close race on the democratic side, but I honestly do see Obama getting the bid.

gruesomeBODY 2007-10-09 09:28 AM

Yea, i dont mean to sound like pig, but i dont want to see a female president right now. I also believe that other candidates suck too so im not to excited for americas future in politics right now

Vollstrecker 2007-10-09 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by !King_Amazon!
Hillary will be the next president. It goes against what I've been saying, but I think that is what is going to happen.

I don't think the country has 'grown up' enough yet to truly accept a female President, personally.

WetWired 2007-10-09 08:38 PM

If Hillary is on the ballot, she will get my vote simply because it's about damn time we get past having only men in office.

D3V 2007-10-10 07:01 AM

The only reason people are voting for Hilary is because they believe getting 'Bill' back into the office will have him back in the role. IMO he has been the best president in our history and Hilary will not be.

Ack.

Kaneda 2007-10-10 10:41 AM

Well being married they obviously have alot of similarities. So I think she will be good and as I've said before I'd vote for her just like WW.

D3V 2007-10-10 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaneda
Well being married they obviously have alot of similarities. So I think she will be good and as I've said before I'd vote for her just like WW.

Since when does being married obviously mean they have alot of similarities, have you ever heard the phrase "opposites attract?

Yes, alot of Clinton's main policies are similar to her Husband's for one reason, because they are both DEMOCRAT, has nothing to do with her and Bill being married. I just can't see somebody like her being elected. But you never know, i'd rather have her in office than ANY of the republicans.

!King_Amazon! 2007-10-10 11:35 AM

Opposites attract doesn't apply to politics.

And for the most part, I think the phrase is wrong. I suppose it's right to a certain extent, because if you were completely like someone you would probably just annoy the fuck out of each other. On the other hand, being completely different would mean you have nothing in common, and that would also suck. Being similar in some areas has it's bonuses, for instance, what kind of movies you like, video games, food, etc. Being completely different would make living together with someone else pretty hard.

Thanatos 2007-10-10 11:40 AM

So you're going to vote for her on the sole fact that she's a woman? You don't care about her policies/stances on things?

D3V 2007-10-10 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by !King_Amazon!
Opposites attract doesn't apply to politics.

Yes but saying they were married so they are SIMILAR does, when you go down their politics Hilary seems to be off in various categories, I'd post up a whole volume of stuff that I don't agree with, but I'm alt+tabbing at work so trying to do so right now would take too long.

WetWired 2007-10-10 01:23 PM

To be honest, I probably disagree with her on a lot of things, but I think there's more good to be had in women being considered as legitimate contenders for office in the future than there is harm she can do in four years.

D3V 2007-10-10 01:36 PM

Let me clear this up before I address anything else: I'm all for women's rights. I see no reason that a woman should get paid less for doing the same job, and likewise I see no reason why we can't have a woman for president. Sexism is a thing of the past in my eyes; and as I believe in progress, regressing to such a medieval mindset violates whatever morals my parents instilled in me (though it's perfectly fine if it stays within the realm of comedy).

While I'm all for a woman President; I believe that Hillary Clinton is, as a candidate and not necessarily as a woman, unfit for the job. And this disbelief is not rooted in bias; it's rooted in Clinton's own statements.

According to CNN, Clinton recently made the claim that, "I'm not sure I would have gotten through [my marital strife] without my faith." I have two problems with this statement:

1. Her Martial Crisis

Let's not mince words: Bill Clinton cheated on her with another woman. In response to this, did she leave his punk ass? Did she divorice him or beat him severely? NO! She just said, "Yes dear," and cowered into the corner of the kitchen like a good little wifey. I don't believe someone who would let their chauvinist spouse cheat on them in front of the entire country without repercussion is fit for President.

2. Her "God helped me through it" Statement

Let me get this straight: God helped you through a crisis faced by hundreds of married couples every year; and there are young, innocent children dying of famine and plague as I type this. Something doesn't add up here.

I know full well that this statement is just an attempt to garner votes from the unwashed masses (see: religion). But I also know full well that this doesn't make her statement any less stupid; it just makes it more empty.

Aside from politics that surely doesn't help any.

!King_Amazon! 2007-10-10 02:12 PM

You know, D3v, that post is both unbiased and makes good points. I hadn't thought about that at all before. In all honesty, I'm suprised that it's coming from you and not from someone else. If I can't right now, I'm going to give you a positive rep for that post as soon as I can.

Congrats on not being a dumbass.

-Spector- 2007-10-10 03:05 PM

So what happens when Hillary has her monthly bitch-phase and occasionally decides to nuke a country becuase she's overly emotional and a degrading comment is made at her and she just 'can't take it.'

Vollstrecker 2007-10-10 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by -Spector-
So what happens when Hillary has her monthly bitch-phase and occasionally decides to nuke a country becuase she's overly emotional and a degrading comment is made at her and she just 'can't take it.'

Yep, that's a valid concern...

...if we ignore the fact that declaration of war is one of the powers that only Congress possesses.

Demosthenes 2007-10-10 04:39 PM

Hillary has the greatest chance of winning currently.

Vollstrecker 2007-10-10 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
Hillary has the greatest chance of winning currently.

I may have been wrong in my previous statement, but I'm still not believing that the country will elect a woman at this point.

Although I guess there may be enough Bush backlash that many people are aiming to elect someone who is opposite of Bush in every way. :p

D3V 2007-10-11 06:40 AM

She has the greatest chance by people that voice their opinions on POLLS. People don't seem to understand that these polls are NOT 100% correct, the majority of people that voice their opinions all day every day are the same people that protest everything, file lawsuits for everything, and are generally in the "Hilary Clinton" bandwagon.

Demosthenes 2007-10-11 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by D3V
People don't seem to understand that these polls are NOT 100% correct, the majority of people that voice their opinions all day every day are the same people that protest everything, file lawsuits for everything, and are generally in the "Hilary Clinton" bandwagon.

I think you have a general misunderstanding of how these polls are run...

D3V 2007-10-11 07:17 AM

Well, as soon as you can prove to me otherwise i'm going to keep my opinions out there, as you do.


You can claim that Hilary has the best chance, when all you are going off is that she has raised the most money and has been posted on CNN (highly liberal) the most. They are obviously posting about and posting false polls the most. Obama doesn't accept money from lobbyists as Clinton does.

Hillary Clinton is pro-immigration, pro-NAFTA, pro-outsourcing, most democrats do not know that, and she is on her way right up to the presidency.

As for the polls most of them are conducted with fixed phone lines as one of the various ways they conduct them, and the fixed lines are not going to be had by most of the youthful voters, and if they do, they are conducted in the early morning, THAT BEING SAID, the only people at home during the morning are in the "older" category, and what a great thing! Because most of Hilary's supporters are in the older category. Polls mean nothing today because they represent conventional methods of measuring support.

Hiliary can't win the general election, and Obama is just standing in the way of either Edwards or Biden moving forward to challenge Clinton. Also remember, Greenspan called Bill Clinton the best REPUBLICAN president he's worked for. That should be a hint folks. She's pro NAFTA and outsourcing and in the lobbyists pockets. Also, earlier in the year when I was trying to find out where the candidates stood on the issues she had nothing on healthcare other than that she wanted to insure Children. The candidates wouldn't even be discussing Universal Healthcare is John Edwards hadn't made it an issue.

Demosthenes 2007-10-11 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by D3V
Well, as soon as you can prove to me otherwise i'm going to keep my opinions out there, as you do.

Well, first of all I would suggets looking into how these polls are actually carried out. It's not simply newspaper polls and people who file lawsuits as you claim. I really have no intention or desire to prove it to you. You're entitled to whatever opinion you want to have on the topic. But if you believe that these are merely newspapers polling those who are politically active you are horrifically uninformed.

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You can claim that Hilary has the best chance, when all you are going off is that she has raised the most money and has been posted on CNN (highly liberal) the most.
Well, CNN along with Gallup, Ramussen, AP-Ipsos, ABC News, Washington Post, CBS News, Reuters, Zogby, Pew, Cook, RT Strategies, Fox NBC, WSJ, USA Today, and Quinnipac just to name a few. I'm going with the fact that she has the best chance with what the polls report. Again, you claim that the polls don't represent the constituency adequately, whereas most of these groups go through painstaking efforts to make sure they do just that.

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They are obviously posting about and posting false polls the most.
Yea. They all made up the same numbers.

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Obama doesn't accept money from lobbyists as Clinton does.
His loss. It will reflect in the polls. And the election.

The best evidence for polls is their frightening accuracy. It's not hard to find polls from 2006, 2004, 2000, 1996, or 1992. Those are just the ones I checked for. I'm sure you could go further back.

Of course, I checked only exit polls. The political climate will undoubtedly change from now until 2008. All I'm saying, with the massive spread Hillary has now, she has the best chance of winning.

Willkillforfood 2007-10-11 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by D3V
The only reason people are voting for Hilary is because they believe getting 'Bill' back into the office will have him back in the role. IMO he has been the best president in our history and Hilary will not be.

Ack.

So you think Bill Clinton is the best president we've ever had?

!King_Amazon! 2007-10-11 09:17 PM

Maybe the best we've had recently, but he's not even close to being the best ever.

FDR was probably the best. Or one of. I don't think any one person could be labeled the best.

Vollstrecker 2007-10-12 02:36 PM

Labelling presidents as the 'best' and such really is kinda unfair because most of us can't quite grasp the climate of older days having no accurate frame of reference to it.

I would say he was one of the good ones though.

Demosthenes 2007-10-12 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vollstrecker
Labelling presidents as the 'best' and such really is kinda unfair because most of us can't quite grasp the climate of older days having no accurate frame of reference to it.

I couldn't have said it better.

D3V 2007-11-01 01:18 PM

I don't know if any of you fellas either watcher or heard, or even read exceprts from Tuesday's debate, but Hilary finally showed what kind of person she is, and of course, was somewhat ambushed. It's awesome, just proving my point more and more than Hilary cannot be our president.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-us-wondering/

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Originally Posted by Obama
"This may be smart politics by Washington's standards, but it's not what America needs right now," the first-term Illinois senator told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from Chicago. "Turning the page means offering the American people a clear sense of your principles and where you'd lead."

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"After the most secretive administration in memory, an administration that consistently misled the American people, we need a president who is going to be open and forthright," Obama said. "I think last night's debate really exposed this fault line. Senator Clinton left us wondering where she stood on every single hard question from Iran to Social Security to drivers' licenses for undocumented workers."

Willkillforfood 2007-11-01 06:49 PM

I've never really liked her, to be honest. I don't think being first lady counts for much and her smile just looks entirely fake.

Lenny 2007-11-02 11:08 AM

Trust me when I say you don't want a woman President.

We had Thatcher. Look at what happened.

Vollstrecker 2007-11-02 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny
Trust me when I say you don't want a woman President.

We had Thatcher. Look at what happened.

Thatcher? That rings 0 bells, mind enlightening me?

!King_Amazon! 2007-11-02 05:21 PM

He's talking about the fictional world outside of the US. It doesn't really exist.

Vollstrecker 2007-11-02 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by !King_Amazon!
He's talking about the fictional world outside of the US. It doesn't really exist.

Wait, what? There's a world outside US borders?

Grav 2007-11-02 06:24 PM

I think they're talking about Atlantis.

Vollstrecker 2007-11-02 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Grаν¡tоnЅurgе
I think they're talking about Atlantis.

Wasn't there a bunch of casinos there? Too bad they're wasted on the fish now. :(

Dar_Win 2007-11-03 10:36 PM

I think things are too on edge around the world to vote for someone just because of their gender.

I'm going to vote for the person who I feel will keep us safe, keep as much peace in the world as possible, but have enough guts to defend us when necessary.

D3V 2007-11-09 01:25 PM

Recent polls show Obama only 3% behind Hilary, I can't seem to find the link but overheard it on the Radio..

Demosthenes 2007-11-09 01:49 PM

Nationwide, from what I'm seeing, the average is 23%.

The debates may significantly sway the numbers.

D3V 2007-11-28 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vollstrecker
Wasn't there a bunch of casinos there? Too bad they're wasted on the fish now. :(

Ooooh NO. I went to the Bahamas 2-3 weeks ago and when we got a chance to go to Atlantis the Casinoes we're simply astounding. That building was roughly 850million to have built and oh-my-jebus it was totally worth it, astonishing to see with your own eyes, and the fish we're sweet too. Giant sharks and mantra-rays up-close is something you don't see every day.

As for on-topic; The polls seem to be somewhat the same, a bit tighter on the Democratic side, and the republicans are still about the same as well this past month, Mitt Romney has taken ahead a bit and Giuliani is right there in the ranks, depending on what state's poll you go off of


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