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Titusfied 2005-08-12 10:13 AM

LiveWire = Banned?
 
What happened to cause this? I just noticed, don't know why though..

!King_Amazon! 2005-08-12 10:57 AM

He probably showed WetWired up or something, you know that's how things work in the mafia.

Thanatos 2005-08-12 11:16 AM

These are dark days.

Adrenachrome 2005-08-12 11:56 AM

Uh.. Wtf yea, why is he banned?

Sovereign 2005-08-12 12:09 PM

Banned for ripping off the synthesis theme on his own website.

Penguin 2005-08-12 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovereign
Banned for ripping off the synthesis theme on his own website.

Yap. Chruser even tried to message him on AIM and livewire was all "Yeah it was a good rip huh?" and well Chruser does not like having things ripped without permission. Who needs Live wire when you have a Wet wire(d).

pr0xy 2005-08-12 01:44 PM

Wasn't he banned before for something like that also?

Demosthenes 2005-08-12 04:02 PM

:(

There goes another good member. We're short on those these days.

Penguin 2005-08-12 04:09 PM

110% Chruser's idea ^_^

JRwakebord 2005-08-12 04:13 PM

While it sucks getting members banned, I can side with Chruser on this one.

Penguin 2005-08-12 04:14 PM

Yeap, I sided with him too ^_^

Thanatos 2005-08-12 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
:(

There goes another good member. We're short on those these days.

He wasn't that active and we really don't have that many dumbasses as before.

BarbWire 2005-08-12 08:21 PM

In my defense, I would like to post about the situation.

The style was publicly available online for download. This person told me about it and where to download it. So I did, and I used it. I had it up on my website for almost a year; without anyone ever saying anything.

I got an IM from Chruser and this is what was said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AIM
[04:52] Zelaron: Nice rip there.
[04:53] Zelaron: With Google ads and all.
[04:59] LiveWireeed: Thanks, It was nice at first, but it got old fast. It attracts the wrong audience and spirt to the community. I have plans on doing a redesign with the upcoming vBulletin release. I wasn't actually the one to rip it; someone else was. They where just kind enough to send me the zip.
[05:01] LiveWireeed: Well what do you know, I've been banned. lol
[05:02] LiveWireeed: You have to admit though, it was a nice rip.

He never said anything to me after that on AIM that night, instead he made a post about it at vBulletin.org. Which can be found here: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=93958

He then sent an email to my webhost, which so happens to be a very close friend of mine. So I sent Chruser an email which said the following:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Email LiveWire Sent
Hellow Sir,

Deaths, my administrators, says he found that style at a site where
they were available to download for free for public use. If you could prove,
however, that the style is licensed to you, then we would be talking
about an illegal distribution of your work. But then again, maybe my
administrator
is simply lying, even though I would doubt that?

However, I will take down the style with proof of you being the actual author.
Ask your attorny to send me a confirmaion, and I will gladly take the
style down as well.

--
Best Regards,
Ken Iovino Jr

He then IMed me on AIM about 20 mins after I sent that email. This was the conversation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AIM
Zelaron (6:46:32 AM): What are the alternatives?
LiveWireeed (6:47:58 AM): Give me a day or so to upload a new style, and unban my zelaron account.
LiveWireeed (6:49:14 AM): (quote=Deaths)I offered them quite a good price for the skin but never got a reply from WW, you can mention that.(/quote)
Zelaron (6:53:26 AM): That is nice, but you will have to be more substantial than that, regarding my previous experience with your less successful attempt to "rip off" Zelaron's "Synthesis" theme, and the registration of another domain name very similar to zelaron.com for the sake of misleading users.
Zelaron (6:53:54 AM): I have to depart for roughly 30 hours. Goodbye.
Zelaron signed off at 6:54:09 AM.

Afterwards, I decided to take the style down from the public; I'm hoping Chruser will unban my account here at Zelaron, because I wouldn't want the style to be avaliable to all 4,000 of my members who want to download it. Unless of course Chruser can have his antorney send me a confirmaion; that the style is indeed has a copyright and is licensed to him.

LiveWire

Adrenachrome 2005-08-12 08:27 PM

Ain't that about a bitch...

Kaneda 2005-08-12 09:36 PM

Ohh we have drama! Wonderfull :D

WetWired 2005-08-13 01:01 AM

In the USA, where the style was first used, creators have copyright over intellectual property upon its generation. No registration is needed to secure rights under copyright law.

S2 AM 2005-08-13 09:19 AM

Sorry if this seems out of place, but you seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on something that doesn't seem like a big deal. Could someone put a link to the page which you are talking about? I guess I'd be pretty angry if someone ripped off my work, too, but it doesn't sound like it was for prophet, was it?

Lenny 2005-08-13 09:31 AM

Just click the link to the thread on the vBulletin site. The link to LiveWires site is on there.

It is a big deal. Chruser put a lot of work into making that style exclusively for this site. If you dig back through the posts you'll find one about a Legal Argument when someone was saying Chruser ripped his forums header. He made more fuss than Chruser is doing. I think that a lawsuit for copyright infringment could be started...though whether Chruser would want that I haven't a clue.

Kaneda 2005-08-13 11:22 AM

I don't see why you couldn't have just taken some time LiveWire and made your own. Its not hard to stretch pixels, fractual half of it, and slap you sites name on it.

FireWire 2005-08-13 11:35 AM

www.vbhackers.com is the site. I did not rip the style, it was downloaded publicly. That download is no longer avaliable at the moment.

Chruser, I ask that you unban my account here at Zelaron; as I did not rip the style, and the style was taken down the very next day. You want to play hardball, then I can too. I'm giving you one more chance to change your mind. Its not like you give a shit about Zelaron anyways. You hardly post, hardly vist, WW does ALL the updates, all the coding, provides the hosting, and he seems to make all the decisions around here, so why the fuck do you care anymore anyways?

Unban my account, do alittle investigating and ban the person who did rip it.

!King_Amazon! 2005-08-13 11:48 AM

Just because you didn't rip it doesn't make it right, that's like downloading a DVD and saying it isn't illegal because you didn't rip it.

Grav 2005-08-13 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S2 AM
but it doesn't sound like it was for prophet, was it?

What? Did you mean for profit? If not, I don't get the joke.

S2 AM 2005-08-13 03:57 PM

Wow, too much HALO 2 on the brain

Sum Yung Guy 2005-08-13 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S2 AM
Wow, too much HALO 2 on the brain

Or booze.

S2 AM 2005-08-13 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sum Yung Guy
Or booze.

It's name is Vodka.

Penguin 2005-08-14 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireWire
You want to play hardball, then I can too. I'm giving you one more chance to change your mind. Its not like you give a shit about Zelaron anyways. You hardly post, hardly vist, WW does ALL the updates, all the coding, provides the hosting, and he seems to make all the decisions around here, so why the fuck do you care anymore anyways?

Unban my account, do alittle investigating and ban the person who did rip it.

You tried convincing zel members/mods/admins and you threaten? See, now I want to see you banned just to see if you can do anything. Dont be an idiot, seriously, take back what you said and dont fucking threaten anyone (Except dev, you can do whatever you like to him ^_^). If you do truly care about the community side of this site, which you damn well should given the amount of time/posts you have. I see you actually posted some decent things once in a while, and people should be grateful, so dont be stupid and just accept that you shouldent of done what you did. You cant win anyone to your side acting like some macho dumbass, and it dosent matter its up to chruser so if you want back into His forum, then do what He wants. If you dont care enough for this forum then just go back to your forum, its not like your forums are dead or anything, why waste your time here?

S2 AM 2005-08-14 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguin
If you do truly care about the community side of this site, which you damn well should given the amount of time/posts you have.

The community side is... Shallow and Pedantic.

Sum Yung Guy 2005-08-14 08:38 AM

Yes shallow and pendat... Peter just shut the hell up.

S2 AM 2005-08-14 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sum Yung Guy
Yes shallow and pendat... Peter just shut the hell up.

Lol someone's a little cranky this morning, you didn't get you're continental breakfast?

Sum Yung Guy 2005-08-14 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S2 AM
Lol someone's a little cranky this morning, you didn't get you're continental breakfast?

Ive been doing SIPR for the last couple days, and morning chow at the DFAC consist of eggs ham ground beef and gravy all mixed together and slopped on our plates... its so bad, i had one bite.

Titusfied 2005-08-14 10:36 AM

Heh, reminds me slightly of TacoX if you ask me. From what I've read, if LiveWire did actually take down the skin, which was agreed by Chruser, why is he still banned?

His last post was an asshole post, but regardless...

S2 AM 2005-08-14 10:43 AM

Hey hey hey! I just ate man, I'd like to keep it down, don't remind me.. that shit is disgusting, I hope 1-36 has better shit.

Go get em SIPRnet, go Automations NCOIC go, go Automations NCOIC go, go Speed Ra.... I mean Automations NCOIC gooooooo.

DryWire 2005-08-14 11:30 AM

I'm not trying to convince Zelaron members, and I wouldn't do anything that would hurt the community; I'm not Mantralord. The funny thing was, this whole time this was going on, Chruser never onced asked me to take the style down; I did take it down.

slaynish 2005-08-14 11:58 AM

Maybe thats not what chruser wants.

Think about your hard work stolen. He doesnt want to play hardball, maybe he just wants an apology, and a written statement why you did it, and fill out a think sheet too.


1.Write a statement why you did what you did:

2.What were you feeling when you ripped this style? Choose one:

Happy

Sad

Angry

Dizzy

Laughing

Explain why?

3.Draw a picture on Paint, on what you did.

4.Paint a picture of what your victim must've acted/looked like when he found out what you did.

5. Draw a picture of what you would like you and your victim to be in the next 2 weeks.

k, just fill that out in wordpad, and post it here, with pic's linked with [img] tags.

Penguin 2005-08-14 02:41 PM

1. Shutup Slaynish.
2. Let Livewire figure out what to do himself.
3. Be the best man in slaynish+d3v wedding?

=/

WetWired 2005-08-14 05:01 PM

Where the hell has Chruser been these past few days, anyway?

Sovereign 2005-08-14 05:13 PM

He doesn't look idle on aim O_o

slaynish 2005-08-14 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguin
1. Shutup Slaynish.
2. Let Livewire figure out what to do himself.
3. Be the best man in slaynish+d3v wedding?

=/


penguin why must you always rain on my parade?

I was making a point. You dont have to always treat shit like its black and white. It might be a little more complicated than a "ill take your style down, but you do this for me in return", like i said its not always black and white.

I just want to stab your neck when you say d3v. Dont talk about him.

Kaneda 2005-08-14 05:26 PM

He said he was leaving for a 30 day hiatus right? So hes probably still there. I don't think he required to inform every1 where hes going. Although that wouldnt explain the nonidle AIM.

pr0xy 2005-08-14 08:30 PM

Maybe he is a laptop =/

I bet his next name will be BannedWire :grin:


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