Kurt Cobain
 

I know this happened awhile back, but I just started reading up on Curt Cobian and Nirvana because Nirvana are my new favourite band.

Anyways, I was wondering what everyone thought of his death? Did he commit suiside or was he murdered? I still dont know what to think yet.

he committed suicide. and it doesn't matter because nirvana fucking sucks.

Suicide, I'd like to believe it was that strung out heroin addict wife of his, but I doubt it. Same thing goes for the Nanny theory. Symnzkkk, blow yourself, Nirvana was damn good.

They were awesome! He did commite suicide tho.

Nirvana was alright... their guitar actually sucked... except for the fact that they had damn catchy riffs.

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i am preaty sure he kill himself runing away from his wife god look at here she is mentaly crazy.

Yeah, he was too messed up on drugs to realize what a dumb mistake he was making with suicide. I liked them back in the day, and still hit up some nostalgia every once in a while.

Nice spelling of his name there.


But Nirvana was pretty good. Even after Kurt blew himself to shit, the drummer produced the band foo fighters.

Nirvana sucked. Whiny, sloppy art-house alternative rock.

Not to mention the fact that Kurt Cobain was a fucking pussy and a shitty human being. Suicide is the bar-none most selfish and unforgiveably disgusting act a human being can commit. Ending your own life like that isn't taking into account the thoughts, feelings or opinions of the people that care about you. He didn't even have a plausible reason for committing suicide. He wasn't dying of a terminal disease and he wasn't trapped under a boulder on Mount Everest. He killed himself because he was too weak to handle fame. Are you fucking kidding me? He caused irreparable damage to his wife, child, family and fans all because he couldn't handle being MTV's "cool-kid-of-the-hour"? You know what Kurt? Had you just toughed it out for a few more months the whole surge of popularity surrounding your over-appreciated ass would have died down and you could have gone on making music and staying out of the spotlight. But, you were too much of a fucking pansy to handle even something that simple.

It makes me want to fucking vomit when I hear people mouring the death of that sack of shit. If he'd been worth a single iota of anyone's attention, he wouldn't have taken the chicken-shit road away from his problems.

He was peekay'd by a shotgun.

Good riddance. I hate nirvana.

I love how people in their own heavy metal/punk rock types of bands classify Nirvana as "sloppy, art-house alternative rock". There was no one like Nirvana back in the day, it just happens that everyone started emulating what they did, since they were a hit.

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slim, stop flaming. i'm allowed to have an opinion.

i personally can't fucking stand nirvana. the only song by them that i can listen to for a few seconds before turning it off is 'territorial pissings'. and then his faggot voice, screaming like a stupid jackass, just gets on my nerves.

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lithium is okay, too, i guess.

I really do agree, Nirvana isn't cool, bar the song "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Lithium". I agree with Raziel totally that Kurt was a complete tool, if he did indeed commit suicide. But how exactly doesn't someone shoot themselves the way he allegedly did with a shotgun?

Shinto, you are a bit critical. Not everyone can pioneer a new form of music, and they just happened to be ACDC inspired. And that is the truth. Nirvana and ACDC's music is based around alot of the same scales and mostly their songs are all power chord riffs. Riffs that don't require skill at all. NO skill. The solos, too, don't require all that much skill. ACDC did have better guitar, but they weren't all that good either.

What do you mean by "he played an out of tune guitar"? I didn't quite follow it. How was it tuned? If a guitar is tuned into drop C or something like that (however, I know that they didn't use drop c), then it's not considered to be "out of tune". Unless he just kinda let it slip out of tune and never retuned it, then I think you mis-spoke. I was under the impression that most of the "different sound" that they had was created by new fangled effects.



P.S. Shinto, saying that a riff is catchy, doesn't mean that it is a well constructed riff. And they DID have a catchy riff or two. I rate Nirvana a 5/10 as a band. Where as I would rate bands like Led, Sabbath, or the JHE a 10/10.

NIRVANA DID NOTHING FOR THE MUSIC INDUSTRY BUT SPAWN LITTLE SHIT HEAD GRUNGE FREAKS AND NU METAL FANATICS. Gg no re.

By the way, Nirvana had SHITTY vocals. Kurt was ghey. All Nirvana was, was a small talent garage band out of Seattle that HAPPENED to make it big.

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I agree, the guitarist from AC/DC was really good but not the best.


Note: w00t.ace can play thunderstruck and he's really good at it. It's amazing.

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Meh, Kurt was great IMHO, i love nirvana. You all say his voice and guitar and shit are 'ghey' but when you really dont realize that they probabally wanted to sound like that? I bet they didnt care if they went ' big ' or anything. Kurt was trippin and he fucked himself over. I still think his wife did it.

Anyways, i'd love to have kurt back.

Shinto, once a guitarist gets the hang of hammer ons and pull offs Thunderstruck isn't terribly hard... it's just a little fast. :D However, it is the ultimate song for impressing nubs. Nubs like tokill.ace. And while Angus Young is a solid lead guitarist, he should not be considered among the legendary guitarists. He was not absurdly incredible, and he did nothing to pioneer the industry himself. The ACDC vision was all Dave Evan's handy work (lead singer).

I reiterate, Thunderstruck impresses nubs. It is a tight song though.

i told my friend about all of this and then showed him raziel's response. all he could say was: omfg, http://www.justiceforkurt.com

i read they website they show how many people who killed themself for him. Wow they simply moron i wouldn't kill myself if someone die that plain stupid if they killed themself he won't come back or nether them.

And I love how everybody in their little MTV-huddle of musical tastes labels death metal as being nothing but screaming and violence. Everybody is capable of generalizing a band like that. It just so happens that in this situation, I'm right.


There's a pretty damned good reason for that. Because they sucked. People only started emulating that band because they got famous, and they only became famous because Kurt was capable of writing a few catchy riffs and didn't sound like any of the hair-metal bands that were dominating the airwaves at the time. They got big because they were a breath of new air, not necessarily because they were any good.

The fact is, they were a sloppy, sloppy band. Kurt Cobain was a terrible vocalist, a mediocre guitarist and a mediocre songwriter. I'm not one of those people who thinks technical skill is the apotheosis of talent. It takes a hell of a lot more than just skill to make good music. It takes a certain amount of passion, drive and inspiration to make music. However, it is clearly evident that Kurt Cobain had none of those things. Had he had any of those qualitities, he would have been willing to suffer for his art instead of taking the ultimate-chicken-shit route out of his misery. I think the absolute most despicable thing about Kurt Cobain was the fact that he took his own life in light of the fact that he was raising an infant daughter. I don't care how fucked up you are on drugs, that's not acceptable. My father was an acitve crack addict for nearly two years and he's still alive and working to right his wrongs. Kurt Cobain left a legacy of cowardice, selfishness and pure unadulterated loathsomeness behind and all because he couldn't handle the fame. Pathetic.

Heh, that is one way to think about it I guess, saying he couldn't handle the fame. I doubt that is the truth though. I highly doubt he was like, "Holy shit, I'm too famous, how about I just get really fucked up on drugs, then kill myself. That way, I don't have to deal with it!" Not likely.

They might not have been the greatest band ever, and I don't know if you are somehow involved in the decisions it takes to sign a band to a record label, but I'm sure they had just a little more than a few catchy riffs if they made it that big. There are plenty of different music styles out there, so I doubt they were just looking for the next new thing by chance. Truth is, although you might not have liked his music, vocals, etc. a very very large mass of people did. And clearly enough to make them a highly popular group that made successful album after successful album.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those all impressed individuals that cried when Kurt killed himself, but I do like a lot of their songs. You don't have to be a guitar expert or a song writer to see talent, but it can help.

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Yeah... last night I looked at a live show of theirs from Netscape.com. It was pretty tight. However, when I downloaded "Jimi Hendrix live at Albert Hall" on Kazaa... I nearly creamed my pants.

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Hahahahahaha.... yeah, the platform... yes. In the later years though, when he is pretty old and burned out looking... he just sort of tip toes towards the platform... or lurches.. haha.. yes...

doesn't carlos santana qualify for a legendary guitar player?

ummm i dont think so, maybe, pretty much the only song ive heard by him is that one big hit, i forget what its called, and i have to say, nirvana can be catchy, and its like cool sounding, but they did suck, i dont really know if that made any sense, but kurt WAS a terrible musician, when i first started playing guitar, the first songs i learned were all by nirvana, i kinda think all the songs sound the same

you must be kidding... the only reason that guy is so popular is because he is one of the few latino guitarists and they just jump his badnwagon every chance they get.

Nirvana was a decent band, but i think what made them great was the influence they had on later artists. They steered away from the norm and made something new, maybe to some shitty, but it was new. Same reason i like Rush/Neil Pert so much. Double-kick tore shit up!

There were other bands already steering from the norm, what Nirvana DID was open the public's eyes to it...

As far as my opinion on Nirvana, I originally hated them, then liked some of their stuff, then went back to hating them again.

Exactly. Music is a blend of the exacting technicality of playing music, and the creativeness of inventing the music to be played. One cannot survive without the other.

You don't need an incredibly talented musician to be a good band. Taking Soulfly for example, I've merely messed around with the guitar off and on for 1-2 years (no lessons or anything, I'm incompetent, I admit) and I'm confident I could play Lead Guitar for Soulfly. They maintain a unique (and sometimes very creative) sound for musicians in their Genre. That, and the fact that Max Cavalera is one of the most recognised names in Scream/Death metal, as Sepultura was one of the first bands in that genre...

Thanks a ton for that site. I read almost the whole thing.