The banning of GS.
 

I think it's utter bullshit. It seems like the administration doesn't care that Sov banned GS out of pure dislike. You can't ban members that you dislike, that's completely rediculous. Yeah yeah yeah, "He was banned because of his flaming!" - that's crap.

If that was the case, half of the regular posters should be banned. Everyone flames outside of the flame forum; including me, Sov, and the rest of the staff. He was banned because he flamed a staff member - OH NOZZSS! IT"S TEH END OF TEH WORLDSzz>! Screw that - so I guess we, the members, have no free speech here? Looks that way to me. It's unfair to ban somebody this way. You know what really disgusts me? The staff is taking Sov's side. Grav makes a new acc. and goes to flame forum and replies to a thread whereupon Bob edits his post and removes it. I can't stand that.

You know what? Sov flamed D3V on more than one account outside of the flame forum. So, shouldn't he be banned as well? Wait, D3V isn't a staff member, sorry - what the hell was I thinking!?

I don't even like Grav all that much, but to ban him over a ludicrous way, that's unjust.

Let me state this once and for all, and this is the LAST time I'm going to explain this. He created a thread in Starcraft for the sole purpose of insulting me. Then, he went ahead and decided to post another "Sov sucks" thread in the news posters forum. I gave him a temp ban after that. NOW, he then reregisters new names and contiues to post on the forum. Which is against the rules. Then I banned that name. And he made another one. Finally, chruser get's on and Ip bans him. True it did no good, but the fact is the OWNER of this website agreed to his banishment. THe fact that you say I banned him out of total dislike is a crock of shit. I hate him, yes, but I hate you too, and a lot of other people in this forum. Why have I not banned you yet? Ponder that one.

There is a reason people are banned. It's so their presence is no longer present on zelaron. What would be the point of a ban if we were to allow the person to come back and post as they wish under a new name, then do the same when that name was banned.

Har har! What do you know, I'm not a perfect sup mod after all! YOU try to keep a 100 percent netural, and courteous tone of voice towards people who are bashing you, or downright talking shit to other memebers when they shouldn't. If I was to call you a fucknut, douch drinking mommas boy (or something that was probably insulting), you would be on my ass, nailing me with everything you got. If it bother's you that much, go bitch and moan to chruser and have him destaff me.

The point is, YOU FLAMED D3V OUTSIDE OF THE FLAME FORUM ON MORE THAN ONE ACCOUNT. Granted, you didn't make a thread specified for that one reason, but it's still a flame. That's exactley what Grav did to you. Ban yourself.

Tried, and can't. It keeps on giving me "invalid user specified".

Then tell somebody else to do it for you because you broke the rules. Bye, bye.

Chruser's AIM is Zelaron
Titus is Domino155
Penguin is TheAssassin314

Talk to them. I'm not going out of my way to get myself fired.

Umm please find a post were I have Flamed somebody. Don't try to give me a post were I made a joke that came across the wrong way.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

I agree that this is BS, but Sovereign seems to have support from the other admins. Right now, I'm too busy dealing with other stuff to deal with this, but you can be sure that this issue will be revisited.

I made a WHOLE thread about Sov's 'antics' that prove he isn't a good representative of Zelaron.com

I don't think it's really BS. Everyone breaks rules, slightly granted, from time to time. I'm sure a lot of posts are semi-skeptical on borderline flaming from time to time, but that doesn't mean I make it a habit. Especially for distinguished members, these instances are normally over looked. In this case, fact is, Grav went over board and out of his way to flame Sovereign in multiple locations. Grav has never respected the rules, Zelaron's members, and especially the Staff. He looks out for number one, and nothing more or less.

Sov has a tendancy to overdo things from time to time, but he is such a vital and integral part of Moderation at Zelaron, that it really shouldn't be such a big deal, especially not as big as every one has made this out to be. Grav is simply insighting some sort of uprising from outside the boards, and everyone is falling for it.

The rules have never meant anything to Grav, so obviously giving him his 239847th 'Warning' wouldn't suffice...

So Sov Temp'd him.

Bah, I'm not repeating myself. I would've likely done something similar.

Just for personal defense, I edited the log from his post because the information contained was personal, and Sov wasn't comfortable with it on the forums. There is no rule against this, and I, for one, will remove anything of a personal nature that someone feels is invading their privacy.

Anyhow, to enlighten the flaming outside the flame forum situation. I've personally had several encounters with this, so I've looked into it. It is frowned upon (and against the rules to a certain degree) to flame outside the flame forum. I asked administration about certain circumstances, and this is my interpretation of what I was told.

If you reply to a topic or post, and your inclination is to be harsh, then so be it. Don't go overboard, but throwing an insult is not against any stone-set rule. I've done this so many times I can't count. There was a thread about this already, so I won't go into it.

The simple fact of the matter, the thing that makes Grav's situation different, is execution. In my situation, someone said something, (stupid, generally) and I replied with an insult. What Grav did was to start multiple threads outside the flame forum (because Sov can't see the flame forum) for the sole reason of insulting him.

I don't have any personal problems with Grav. He said some mean shit to me in a thread the day after he got banned, but it was because I was arguing Sov's point with him. I would have done the same thing if the roles were reversed. This is just the situation we're presented with.

From What I heard, Sov had the ban lifted a week ago. That was before Grav got banned?

Sov can see the flame forum as he has posted in it on several occasions.

Maybe if Sov didn't lie about him not being able to see the Flame Forum, Grav could have posted in there and he wouldn't have been banned. GG.

Well, I did take away his priviledges so he couldn't view the Flame Forum, so it wasn't a lie at first. Someone clearly gave them back to him, which is obviously an Admin, but I don't know when. Not like it mattered anyway. GG.

Actually, as somebody had stated up above, that's the whole reason Grav posted them in separate forums. If Sov had made it known that he could see the flame forum again(as he rightly should, because there are tons of people that wish to address him), Grav would still be here.

GG.

sov is a great mod i totally agree wouldnt it be fucking hard if someone was making fun of u its really hard to keep netrual with all the people that are saying shit about you

Sup mod..... Sov is a sup mod.

Yes, but he thinks and acts like an administrator. You might as well make him one.

Thanatos STFU. Why can't you understand that this "gs" you speak of broke the rules therefore Sov has the right to ban him. Anyways its 12 year old flamers like you that bring zelaron down, we need LESS of your kind for the sake of zelaron.

Everyone has broken the fucking rules. Everybody. What I don't understand is this fucking double standard. A mod breaks the rules, shit doesn't happen; Grav makes a flame toward Sovereign somewhere other than the flame forum, simply so Sovereign can read it, and his ass is gone for a month. D3V posts some personal shit about Bob, and his ass is gone. Sovereign posts some shit Penguin doesn't want, and nothing fucking happens.

Nddwind, who the fuck are you. I've never even heard of you. Who are you to say anything about Jizmo. Shut up, kid.

Who the fuck am I? why does it madder? Just because I don't have 1.5k posts full of useless bullshit.

How about fuck you. I’m sick of forums being taken over by 12 year old posters (like blizzhackers) its a privilege to be part of this forum and by going out of his fucking way to flame a sup mod he deserves to get banned. Id expect to get banned if I went out of my way to specifically flame any mod.

This "useless bullshit" that you refer to is what makes a forum, sparky. Could it be possible to be any more stupid than that? What do you think makes a forum go? You think 10 staff members alone are going to drive a forum? No you fucking idiot, it's the posts that are posted at the forum, and the members at the forum. It's the member's job to bring any discord in the forums to the attention of the staff. Apparently that's too tough of a concept for your inchoate brain to comprehend.

You know what I'm sick of? I'm sick of Zelaron being overrun by idiots like yourself. Jizmo handled this given scenario perfectly, but you can't understand that. You expect him to get banned for disparaging a staff member? Sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Perhaps you should get shot for talking bad about the government as well.

Why does it matter who you are? It doesn't, because your existance on the forum is insignificant. It was only an expression, but perhaps that is another concept that your feeble, grimy skull is not capable of grasping yet.


Oh, and by the way, messaging "f u" on aim to me isn't going to accomplish anything. If you really want to continue this, make a thread where it's supposed to be.

80% of your posts are insignificant and unintelligent so why post? Its funny that I have been a member at this forum for just as long as you have but my post count much less than yours why? Because I have a life where clearly you do not, and my posts are helpful and intelligent (besides this bullshit you have made me resort to.)

OHH, Unknown D2 guy wanders out of D2 section and flames 2 of the more respected members here.

Bad Move :killgrin:

There is a huge difference here, and you still are clearly uninformed if that is what you think happened...

Sovereign had his priviledges from the Flame Forum taken away a month or so ago. He has them back now, and I honestly don't know for how long. Grav did not have to post any such thread outside of the Flame Forum for Sov to see it, he could have simply wrote him a PM with it referenced, saying that was a thread in the FF, just as an FYI, so to say. He blatently broke the rules for no apparent reason other than to instigate a fight with Sov. And he was Banned for 2 weeks, not a month. And the Ban was lengthened because he continually made multiple accounts. Remind you of anyone? *cough* The1 *cough* Get your facts straight.

D3V was not Banned because of personal shit he posted about Bob, not initially that is. The key part you are missing is the simple fact that Bob Warned D3V not to post that crap anymore, because he found it highly inappropriate. This was all done via PM. After D3V did it again, he was Temped, for 5 days. Big fucking deal, right? Apparently not.

Sovereign posted a picture of Penguin in a thread. There is no rule against that. Instead of going about it the proper way, which Bob did above, and asking Sov not to post it anymore, Penguin simply Edited the post, and made ill threats with no backing. That is where the discrepancy came. Had he been rational in the beginning and not gone on his Editing spree, this would not have been such a problem.

Now, since then, an "Amendment" has been made to the rules that clearly specified that Staff must first contact via PM the member if they have a problem with content of someone's post. This rule is only for content, such as pics being posted or private life issues under discussion. The rest of rules are the same as before.

I agree with you 100%

Read my post above then. You are clearly ill-informed as well.

Directed to nddwind.

BTW both of those two guys were nominated in an un-offical poll several times to take the spot of Ex-Mana, A sup-mod that recently retired from his position. You should learn who the respected members are before you go flameing. GS (GravitonSurge) Was one of the more respected members and even tho many people didn't like him he still was a good member. Thats why this thread is here.

I assumed that much. I don't even know which threads Grav was banned for, because I didn't get a chance to read them. Regardless of what Grav posted, I know from personal experience that PM's to staff usually doesn't get anything accomplished.

And, Sovereign posted that picture of Penguin multiple times. I don't care how Penguin handled it, the point still should have gotten across that Penguin didn't want Sovereign to post that picture, yet Sovereign continued to do it. From your explanation, I don't see how that is too different from what D3V did, except the fact that D3V was banned.

And what more do you expect if you post shit about your personal life on the forums? Along with the positive comments, ridicule is to be expected. Sarcastic comments are to be expected. Now, personal attacks on people have never been against the rules of Zelaron. I wouldn't even consider some of the stuff he said as an "attack." More like a sarcastic comment. Perfectly acceptible in the chat forum. I don't see how that was deemed inappropriate, except the fact that Bob didn't like that posted there.

Well, be it as it may that Bob didn't like it posted there, that is his perogative. I agree, this is not a problem except for the fact that after Bob PMed him and asked him not to bring it up anymore, D3V did anyway multiple times just to "be a rebel" and see if he could get away with it.

There are a lot of things that aren't against the rules, but when someone asks you, politely, in private, to not post on a certain topic that is sensitive to them, I would certainly hope everyone would at least have the common courtesy to do so.

On the topic of Grav. It is unanimous that what he posted was worthy of at least a few day Temp Ban, but it wasn't until he made multiple accounts and continued posting, which everyone knows is highly against the rules, did he get the 2 weeker. That was my only point.

You seem to be extremely misinformed. I warned him months ago at least on 3 different occasions not to do that. And you say there is no rule against it? If there is no rule against something like that then why was d3v's ban appropriate for posting personal stuff between bob?

Bob warned d3v. I warned sov in the past on so many occasions, yet in your post you make it seem like i did something wrong when In actual fact I was the one doing everything right (This has nothing to do with the editing of your post titus). I talked to chruser and he basically agreed with me anyway, I could have easily temp banned sov but it was then a personal descion. Would temp banning sov for posting my picture help zelaron? Seeing as sov is a highly active mod i figured it would do more bad then good and I would rather put zelaron in front of my ego or anger for sov.

Woah, easy kid. I am in no way, shape, or form a 12 year old flamer. I'm not the nerd who plays D2 all day. I am 17 and I rarely ever feel the need to flame anyone.

WHO ARE YOU? You have no idea who MJ is and how he posts. You have no idea what percentage of his posts are understandable. You have not been here as long as MJ, look at your registration dates, dumbass. MJ is by far more intelligent and helpful than your sorry D2 ass will ever be. Go back to the D2 forums and never come out, ever.

Addressed to Titusfied:
Oh shit! An admin sides with the public and then I'm like, "Hellz yeah! This is bangin!" - but seriously, he's right. Sov did the same exact thing that D3V did, more or less. But you know what? He's a mod so nothing can happen, he's got a clean record. Fuck that.

LMAO i get it now! Mj is your butt buddy, in that case i do not want to interfere with your relationship so ill end this rite now.

Well, then you definitely should have made at least 1, if not 3 User Notes in his profile when you did so. How am I supposed to know when you Warn someone and don't make note of it anywhere? Oh yeah, I'm not.

Not only was D3V Warned, a thread was made in Staff Discussion about it, which is why this is completely different.

Actually. No matter what Bob may tell you. His 'warning' telling me to quit posting shit about him (which wasn't against the rules anyways) was after He had edited my post for the 3rd time. After that he PMed me in a threatening manner.

In a PM where he told me to 'Go suck a Donkey Dick' thats very very unprofessional. He tried to Argue that Raziel doesn't get in trouble because he advertises his selling of CDs and said my Sig was an advertisement. Proven wrong. And none of this would have ever happened if he hadn't edited/deleted my posts.

I know you guys have to look credible, but it's not working.

Edit* If you don't believe anything i'm saying, just IM me on Aim: Aim 1s Gay or just drop a PM and i'll forward all of the PMs and you can make your own decision. I've got them saved to my HD too just incase they try and silence me.

Ontopic: Grav will be back in a few days, it shouldn't matter anymore.

As I've stated many times already in many threads, Bob made the mistake of Editing your post, but he still told you, via PM, not to write on that topic anymore, and you still persisted to do so. If you had such a problem with him Editing the posts, you should have talked to a Senior Staff member about it.

Several points:

You can hardly say that my harsh language was unprovoked.

My warning was a warning and a very clear one at that.

What, exactly, was proven wrong? The fact that it's okay for Raziel to advertise his band through his sig, or the fact that your sig is an advertisement? Please clarify.

Finally, I edited one post. Any member of the staff can go to the trash and verify this.

And you're calling me a 12 year old flamer? Hypocrite.