Quarter-Finals! Mega Man X vs. Cloud
 

Arena: Bamboo Grove

In the Red Corner, the chrome-plated Maverick Hunter, the Blue Bomber 2.0, from Mega Man X: Mega Man X!!!

And in the Blue Corner, the jade-eyed schizophrene, the master of the Buster Sword, from Final Fantasy 7: Cloud Strife!!!

The sky is coated in a thick blanket of dark thunderheads. The wind whips through the bamboo stalks, creating a sea of violent, swaying arms. X surveys the area, standing at the bottom of the hills' steep slope. Cloud works his way through the tempest of bamboo, slowly creeping down from the top of the incline. As the two catch each others' eyes through the chaos, a heavy rain begins to fall. The violence of the storm is such that any normal person would have to be insane to reamin exposed to it. Our two combatants begin their initial charges, and the fight begins in earnest. There can be only one...

Ahhh, a great match-up here indeed.

While I reveer Cloud as my favorite character of all time in any game I've played, I just think he might be outclassed in this one folks. Senesia has made me quite the believer in X over the last few battles, and this one should be a doozy!

Well, let's see some action, people! It's been open for 24 hours and nothing has happened! Frankly, I think Cloud might win this one. Let's see someone step up to bat!

Everytime cloud would try to win, mega man can just skimmer up one of the bamboo branches like hes does walls in any of his games. Then when cloud passes him, he can simply fall down, and shoot the hell out of could. In the end, due to his higher crebral fuctions (processing power in the head, he is a computer after all), mega man will rein victorious over the charred remnants of cloud strife.

Bamboo trees? Perfect for cloud to chop down sending X to the ground.

X=robot. Robot=metal. Metal=strong. Mega man x is made from an extremely powerful alloy. He can fall and still not be damaged. If cloud wants to waste his time chopping down trees liek a lumbarjack thast fine. Even if he gets one when x is there, when x is falling, he could just aim upwards, and fire shots right through clouds skull. When cloud charges him, all x has to do, with his immensially powerful legs, is jump up high in the air to avoid him.

Well... shooting and jumping are hardly the specialties of X. You should have said he double jumped to avoid Cloud. That's a more feasable way to avoid an opponent, and, since he has the ability, why make use of it?

My argument would begin with the metallic nature of X giving him a certain defense against any attack with a sword. Secondly, I would say that he would at least attempt to use the Zero Saber against Cloud. Cloud would not be able to block it as it is a beam. Aside from that bit of information, the Zero Saber does immense damage to all enemies. I believe it took two hits with the Z-Saber to kill Sigma. (It may have been three, but I'm not sure, although two hits are required for all other bosses - This may vary from game to game. The only game I know of that X uses the Zero Saber is in X-3.)

Cloud doesn't stand a chance if X uses Ultimate Armor (X6). Unlimited Gaia attack.

Basically, Ultimate Armor allows X to use Nova Strike indefinitely. In the air, on the ground, during a jump, during his second jump, dashing...X will be invulnerable when he executes it. It is a (sort of) mid-air dash which destroys/damages everything on its way.

What's the downside of this attack? X can't change direction during Nova Strike, so it can be avoided somehow. (But it is extremely fast, and it does have some sort of area of effect...)
(But then again, you can't change direction in any 2D game because there is only 2 dimensions...)

Anyway, Ultimate Armor can be used only if you enter a code on the selection screen.

So...he will probably use Blade Armor for this fight.

With his Blade Armor:
- His charged X-Buster shot will leave a energy field which damage the enemy
- His Z-Sabre attack is more powerful
- can choose to release a powerful slash attack when charged
- His dash has a greater range
- He can damage the enemy simply by air-dashing
- can air-dash in all 4 directions
- can hover in air
- He sends a powerful slash attack forward, which will deal a lot of damage if hit. (Shockwave kind of attack.)
- can charge up Maverick weapon
- Weapon energy comsumption reduced by 1/3
- Damage taken reduced by 1/2
- No recoil (stun) when taken damage

Parts:
D-Barrier - Doubles the invulnerability time after X has taken a hit.
D-Converter - Convert damage into weapon energy.
Buster Plus - Increase X-buster damage
U-Buster - Always fire charged shot. (Can unlease charged Z-Saber as well.)

Limited Part:
Life Recover - An extra Sub Tank, basically.

Blade Armor is capable of carrying 2 E-Tanks and 1 W-Tank.


(I'm running out of time, schoolwork..)

Cloud has fought more worthy opponents in my mind in FFVII, namely the Ultimate Weapons, Emerald and Ruby, so this is in no way a cut and dry match as some may be making it out to be.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with Titus on this. There's a big difference between a robot having defenses against a normal sword, and a robot having defenses against the Ultima Weapon. Hell, the Ultima Weapon isn't even technically metal, it's a weird half-energy, half matter composite if anything.

X running on Bamboo? Please. He's made of fucking metal! A goddamn babmoo shoot isn't going to hold him up any more than it would a Howitzer.

And let's not neglect the weather conditions...

edited for minor grammar adjustments and restructuring of the text.. apparently that is important

Imo including bamboo in this fight is pointless;
one character is using a giant blade and the other is using high energy mech destroying weapons... the entire field would be barren in the first 10 seconds of fighting.

Is the "hadoken" ability of X in Megaman X legal?
This ability is, after all, not entered as a cheat code but rather a secret ability that can be found in the armadillo stage that is designed to be very difficult to obtain.
In any case, due to the fact that Cloud is from a RPG game, he doesnt move that much even when being attacked.
The "hadoken" ability of X is a one hit kill on everything it is capable of hitting in Megaman X.
Therefore, X should not have a hard time hitting Cloud with a "hadoken" and ending the battle.

If "hadoken" is not allowed, or using the structure of an rpg game as a weakness is unfair, or maybe you say that cloud can deflect the "hadoken" with his sword:
X never seems to get tired from all the running and dashing he does in all the games he is in, so I think it would be safe to say he has infinite movement endurance. So, X could run and dash around until the end of time with Cloud chasing him around with his gigantic blade in tow.
Now, given the aforementioned infinite movement, and the addition of the aiming laser and the head upgrade (allowing X to use the laser infinitely) from Megaman X4, not only can X run around forever keeping a safe distance and preventing most possible chances for Cloud to deal damage, but X can run around forever shooting a laser that aims automatically with Cloud cursing and screaming in frustration.
Cloud would eventually succumb to the laser or run out of breath.

Post here, this is ridiculous. This is a big match and no one is putting in much of an arguement for either side...

My two favorite characters... you can't do this to me!

EDIT: But it'd be cool if X won, and X fought Sigma in the Finals.

Apparently, Cloud is able to fly in kingdom hearts, which could be a huge advantage.
I could see Cloud flying around and then shooting things like meteorain or finishing touch or blade beam, but those would take time to do while X can continuously shoot. Added also X has an assortment of different style weapons.. including one that can automatically aim.
Of course being the Cloud's Ultima Weapon is extremely powerful it may be possible for Cloud to use the sword as a shield blocking any attempted projectiles sent by X.
Cloud could.. for example.. while in flight, charge at X (perhaps from behind) with sword in front blocking projectiles and then get in close for an omnislash or cross slash or whatever.
X may whip out the saber up close too.. but i don't think the saber would be as powerful as the Ultima Weapon.
X may be able to dash away in time as well though.

Cloud will win if no one else steps in. ;)

Just a few thing.

meteorain, finishing touch, blade beam, cross slash or omnislash are Limit Break so cloud need to be hurt lot to use them once. So he cannot use them often.

Cloud never blocked any projectile with his sword. So it's either cause he aint skilled enought to do it or that the sword wouldnt resist. So it's most likely not skilled enought.

Or maybe it was because because he was mostly in RPGs, where you dodge, I don't remember anyone "blocking."

If I remember correctly, in either Ergheiz or Kingdom Hearts, I'm 95% sure he blocked with his sword.

In terms of Mobility, X has the advantage here. His movement is fast, he can double jump, air-dash, double air-dash in some series with leg upgrade, hovering, (In Blade Armor), deal damage to enemy during air-dash, dash jump, wall jump, (No wall in this arena, but he can...) Kick jump right off the wall, which, I think he can do that using the Bamboo.

Keep in mind that he is fully capable of attacking while he's jumping, dashing, etc. His fast movements will not reduce his abilities to attack.

As I have mentioned in my previous post, with U-Buster equipped, X can shoot fully charged shot everytime, or use his charged Z-Saber. The power of charged Z-Saber is not to be underestimated, for it destroys most enemies in one hit. Of course, Cloud could block it, but it may give such an impact which will break his blocking and give X another chance to attack.

His charged shot will leave an energy field (which stays for a few seconds) and it will deal damage to the enemies. This would restrict Cloud's movement. X can even take the defensive stance, keeping a distance from Cloud and just shoot Charged Buster at Cloud. (It consumes no energy)

When Cloud gets near, X can either pull out his Z-Saber, or double jump/Air-dash away. (I forgot to mention, X is semi-invulnerable in his Air-dash. Like...he only takes damage when he's close to landing, which should be far away.)

What if X gets hit? From the previous battle, I've mentioned his D-Barrier. X will be invulnerable for the next few seconds after he gets hit. It is not possible to land multiple hits to X. By equipping the D-Barrier part, the length of his invulnerable period doubles. So, keep that in mind.

I haven't even taken the charged Maverick weapons into account yet. Most of the maverick weapons are deadly when charged, (whole screen attack, such as meteor shower, acid rain, etc) the downside is that they consume energy. With blade armor however, the energy consumptions are just 1/3. X has 1 W-Tank which complete refills every single weapon X has. (8 in total) All of the charged Maverick weapons will deal damage to the opponent. (they may not do full damage every time, but moderate damage is unavoidable)

About the weather condition, I don't see how it will effect X. Well, X has fought under water, and it hardly has any effect on his performance. (Except the fact the he could jump and dash even further...)

P.S. One more thing, I don't think you can block energy shoot. Charged Shot are pure (Or mainly) energy.

do i detect a little bias titusfied? heh

it can be blocked.. there are numerous examples in the game
ones i can take off the top of my head are:
mmx1: armored armadillo uses padding on his arm
mmx4: split mushroom stage.. while running up the stairs those machines with the movable shields
mmx4: frost walrus stage the miniboss in certain forms creates a shell that blocks attacks

in any case being that i would think that it should have the ability to deflect any concentrated energy in the form of projectiles or at the very least be able to absorb the impact or partially the energy in the shot

cloud can fly.. thus the energy field left behind doesnt leave a lot of hindrance.. slight change of his course in flying to go around the field would solve that and the field doesnt last forever.. additionally, the buster takes charging time to shoot the power shot

and now a huge disadvantage that i have now thought of for X is that his buster can only shoot horizontally.. imagine cloud flying higher than X can jump.. this would render the buster virtually useless against cloud as well as some other weapons

bleh nvm its raining heavily
in any case i dont think the bamboo could hold up X
and would quickly be cleared out with a couple of shots from X

btw the weather and the bamboo was most likely intended to give cloud an advantage.. being able to hide within the bamboo forest and the weather bolstering his lightning based attacks
but i dont think it works because the energy weapons of X would easily clear out the entire forest with little to no effort (he would probably do it unintentionally just shooting) and i seriously doubt cloud would be stupid enough to try to charge X head on being that X could murder him with projectiles.. thus cloud would use his ability to fly
and cloud casting spells would take too much time while X just blasts the hell out of him as it does not take time for him to use the numerous maverick weapons and X has powerups that allow him to use them infinitely

Im not sure who said cloud has to be hurt to use limit break. Wrong, limit breaks are anger controlled. If im not mistaken in ff7 they go up by themselves. Also, seeing as how you cant use materia here, cloud probably wont win. You guys are taking into consederation that when the ff7 warriors fought any big monster their main skills were material. Very very seldom could you beat any real chalanger without the use of materia.

Sh0e what game have you been playing?!?!? Cloud cant fly...

In the other game he has a guest appearance in, he can fly, evidently. And Breaks Limits are a tricky thing. They appear in the game to be damagae induced, but at the end when Cloud and Sephiroth are squared off, just the shear presence of Sephiroth gets Clouds Limit soaring up to the point of Omni-Slash Heaven!

I guess if Cloud gets mad enough, he can use Limits, but then again, I highly doubt that if no one other than Sephiroth could induce that type of Limit to occur, then X doesn't have a shit shot in hell to do it. Damage would appear to be the way in this Battle case.

read my former post
in kingdom hearts cloud flies when you fight cloud teamed with some other guy

btw should i edit that post for grammar? if its really not readable like that ill edit it

I didnt see you mention kingdom hearts.... But cloud is nothing but a swordsmen without materia or anger induced limit breaks. This is kind of an unfair batlle ddont you think?? Maybe he should be able to use materia? Otherwise how can he defeat any real challanger?

maybe you should actually read the thread before posting and maybe while your doing that the rules too

Cloud can't use materia, yet X can use all these godly upgrades. I'm not understanding how this is suppose to be even.

Shoe, dont start with me you little peon. Your the one who should read the rules i know he cant use materia, im saying how the fuck is this fair??? megaman is one big ass upgrade, yet cloud is a human... thats not aloud to use any of his actuall powers... yet megaman can use all of his... can we say handicaped match?
This wasnt a well thought out match..

The Charged Shot X1 - X4 is not comparable with the one X uses in X5 - X6 in certain armor. It is blockable as in, you can stop it from moving further, but by doing so, the one who's defending will take damage, unless he's using a foot thick shield. (Sort of like Blast damage which stay for a few seconds)

What can Cloud do when he's flying? He might be a master in close-ranged battle, but...leaving the ground and keeping a distance from X? Say, when Cloud is in the air, X could use Meteor Shower (Charged Maverick weapon in X6) and...I don't think Cloud would be able to dodge them.

U-Buster in X6 makes ALL of X shots (Including Maverick Weapon) charged. It takes no time at all.

Omnislash is a combo (Combo of slashes), apparently. As I have said, X has this Damage Barrier which will activate whenever he gets hit. With D-Barrier (a part), the duration of the invulnerable doubles. After the first hit gets in, the several follows will not damage X. That would account for any combo performed to X, actually.

P.S. There was an arugment about the ability to use magic for FF characters awhile back, by the way.

One thing to add about the "flying Cloud" thing in KH:

After he's done with his little rampage (about 20 seconds worth) he gets extremely tired - to the point where he completely stops for about 5 seconds or so, leaning on his sword, out of breath. At that point, he's easy as heck for Sora to get a few combos on. I'd say that X would take him out right there, if Cloud were to pull his little flying move..

You're forgetting that X doesn't have an unlimited amount of ammo for those special weapons of his. He wouldn't have very much leeway before he found himself having to rely almost entirely upon his primary weapon.

Plus, I don't think you people are giving Cloud nearly enough credit for his physical advantages. If he can fly, he has greater mobility, and is therefore harder to shoot. I don't care what kind of tracking systems X has, a flying target is difficult to shoot one way or another.

Cloud also proved himself capable of physical feats that no normal human could ever imagine doing. Has X ever been impaled on a 6-foot katana and then used his impaled torso as a fulcrum on which to toss another human being off of a cliff? I think not.

Also, Cloud isn't going to be phased by a couple of different energy weapons nearly as easily as you people seem to think he would be. His blood courses with Mako, thereby making him stronger, faster and more reistsant to all kinds of damage than any normal creature. If Cloud is capable of stomaching an attack like Supernova, what the hell makes you think that a charged Mega Buster shot is going to even so much as scratch him?

None of you are giving Cloud nearly the amount of credit he deserves. He has a lot more advantages than just using an assload of materia, and if you want Cloud to win, you have to start thinking outside of that very narrow box.

And, if I recall correctly, Cloud didn't need to charage any kind of Limit Meter to use his Final Fantasy Tactics Limit Breaks. Those just ate up MP. Materia or not, he still has MP at his disposal.

So by getting exhausted quickly he wont be flying forever and will need to rest.


The in-battle super nova is actualy quite weak. It's more of a area effect spell with average damage. Nothing more.


In FF Tactics he need to use his Materia Blade to do Limit and the blade is extremly weak.

Shit, yeah, you're right Kuja. I forgot exactly how his Limits worked in FFT. But, that actually stands to work better than if they burned MP. Why? Because the standard amount of time allocated to any combat turn in an RPG is three seconds. I recall it taking something around 5 to 10 full rounds of charging in order for Cloud to use most of his Limits. That would mean Cloud would have to spend a maximum of 30 seconds charging an attack in order to use one of his FFT Limits. He could simply have his Materia Blade equipped while he's charging, use the Limit, and then switch to the Ultima Weapon when he's finished. Plus, while he's charging, if he took any damage from one of X's attacks, his FF7 Limit gauge would continue to increase, preparing him for yet another Limit Break soon after.

I dont recall Cloud being able to switch equipment during combat in any games.

I don't remember X having access to ALL of his upgrades from ALL of the games in a single game, so stfu.

KA what you just said make no sense at all.
It's like if your saying Cloud cant use ability of more then 1 game in the fight. It's the whole point of Zelaron Melee... character being able to do what they did in all their games.

Cloud wouldnt be able to change equipment in-battle cause he cant do it in any of the game that he is.

X can change his weapon he use while in battle. But he cannot change his armor. It's how the game work and how it is.

Like i said in a previous battle of X or Zero. Not all weapon can be equip on X or Zero and thats normal. Cause there is an ammount of slot for those weapon allowed on them and trying to put more would be like trying to put 15 toaster in a normal plug. It wouldnt work.

I believe the rules were stated as a character having access to all abilities and features specifically for that character in all games (s)he participated in.

As just stated, Cloud has access to all of his weapons and abilities. However, none of his abilities included switching weapons mid-fight.

X has access to all of his features from all of his games. (Might I add, nobody has included the Marvel vs Capcom fighting games in any of this.) X has the ability to switch weapons on the dime, and he can use this in the fight.

Hes probably refering to kingdom hearts, in which he can just jump reaaaaly high. Mega man also has zero's sabre. So if he wanted to. X could sparr with cloud mono e mono with swords. Him being the machine, and not being able to get tired, would eventually win.

X raises the sabre triumphantly over the bloody,, burned carcass of cloud.

Cloud has faced opponents much harder than X, he fought ruby and emerald. He shouldn't have any trouble at all beating X.

Might I add that no one remembers Ehrgeiz either.

You honestly think that a tireless machien with an energy blade will lose to a mere mortal. Your assuming that could has even versed creatures the likes of x, which he hasnt to my knowledge.

Wrong he didnt beat ruby and emerald. It wasnt 1vs1 against ruby and emerald. He beat them using summon and partner with heal and items like potion and stuff. So plenty of stuff he doesnt have access to.

He mostly rely on teamwork something he cannot get in zelaron melee which is going to be giving him a weakness over X.

X on the other hand is quite the loner in the battle field which give him an advantage already but even bigger when you count what i said above. That Cloud is a mostly team work dependent in most situation.