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Ok People I Just have to get something off of my chest ... BUT

ONLY READ IF YOUR OPEN MINDED

Ok here it goes.

Everyone no matter what religion,race,ethnic background, or

what ever you all know about 9-11 and if u dont ur weird but

where was the patriotism before9-11???? Did it take this big of a

dilema to get people toghter for one common cause ? Where

were our flags waving proud when oklahoma was bombed???

sure people cried and mourned but where was the nations

people lighting candles where were we going to see the building(

s) that were bombed ? well people if u think that it takes

something this big to bring us toghter or rip us appart what kind

of country r we? well respondonly if ur mature enuf to write a

complete response . PLEASE

I guess the answer is yes, it does take something really big.

well thats a very good question pimp.. i guess that wat happened on 9-11 was good in a way because it FINALLY united our nation.. ure right where were our flags b4 this? i hung my flag once a year and it was that holiday (i think it was flag day or something)

Because for a very long time America never had to worry about anything. Living in America is like living in a box. We were completely seperate from the rest of the world. Why show pride if you dont even have to. Of course it would take something big to open our eyes and realize that we take this land for granted. Oklahoma was withen America so that wouldnt make you look past our borders. Sept. 11 is the first time in a looong time we have actually been seriously attacked by another country.

When your born you cannot choose where your born or who your parents are. If you are born in America consider yourself lucky. You probably don't know what its like in many countries around the world. It is extremely different. If you have been in America all your life and consider yourself open minded i promise you will find it very depressing to travel to certain places.

I don't consider patriotism to be an especially good thing. All it does is cause war. the definition is Love of and devotion to one's country. This means you must think lesser of other countries. If you have never been anywhere else or met the people then it is ignorant to consider yourself truely a patriot.

There really is a whole different world out there and i'm very sure it isnt what you picture in your mind. Things like Sept. 11 are regular events for some people and have beent that way for peoples life times. No one else in the world cares or supports them. What kind of country are we you ask? becoming a normal one.


edit: evil-steven: what makes you think Xenn is so wrong?

*snore*
too boring to read

Screw you, Lee.

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and fuck those penguins

Mr. Lee, ill repeat what two others have said already...mature responses only plz. Come back when your old enough :/

I believe you've got patriotism confused with nationalism. Patriotism involves loving your country and its freedoms, and wanting to keep them. Nationalism is the typical 'our country is the best' crap, and is also considered to be one of the factors that led to both world wars.

I think Sept. 11 awoke a feeling of patriotism (not nationalism) that people never knew they had because they took too many things (i.e. our national safety) for granted.

i think that we now are a stronger nation than ever before becasue of it

I dont believe i confused anything. however its possible that i did. Im just going by the definition of patriotism that is in the dictionary.

and i dont think were stronger. were simply aware.

Patriotism -- Please note that none of these definitions refer to thinking less of another country.
Nationalism -- For the fourth entry, definition 1 is synonymous with patriotism. However, the second one states "2: the conviction that the culture and interests of your nation are superior to those of any other nation." This is what you were referring to as patriotism.

Hope that cleared it up. :)

windows sucks

really...

I think you missed my point badass gandhi. My point is that if you show love and devotion to one country (patriotism) that must mean you think at least somewhat lesser of another country. And you shouldnt think that way at all. Just because this one country is the only place you have ever been doesnt mean that theres not a whole other world out there. If your devoted to ONE country you would do anything for the country...this could mean war couldnt it?

lol i didnt realize this was a proud moment :/

But you don't have to think your country's better than any other country to be a patriot, you just have to like your country better. The words love and devotion don't carry a sense of absolute favoritism. You don't have to dislike every other country in the world to consider yourself a patriot. If you do, then you've gone past patriotism and into nationalism.

Well naturally, as long as you feel the war is justified. And if you don't, that's why we have Conscientious Objector Status. :)

Prove it.

... Listen, buddy.

There are plenty of trout left over from mIRC waiting to smack you.
Comprende?

But it does carry out a sense of favoritism. How is it possible to love one country more then another but think of every country (including your own) as an equal? I dont think it is possible. I'm not talking about hating every other country...just thinking lesser of them. Which really is not fair.


i dont think ill be responding to this one :/

All right, I think I may have been misunderstanding you then. I think the phrase "think lesser of" is kind of loaded. If you mean think lesser of in relation to your own country, then yes, patriotism does involve some (small) degree of this. But if you really mean think lesser of in general, I'm still going to have to disagree with you.

I mean think lesser of in relation to your own country. which, what ive been saying, could stimulate war.

True, but the main kind of war that would be stimulated by patriotism would be one of self-protection. Any kind of malevolent war (like for the purpose of national expansion, for example) would not result from patriotism by itself.

Going back to this favoritism thing - Why do you think it wouldn't be fair? Would you care if Afghanistan took over your country tomorrow?

This is an interesting topic to just listen too, keep talking, and sometime I might join in.

OK man didnt i say "MATURE" ????

This is an interesting topic to just listen too, keep talking, and sometime I might join in.

Either talk or leave please dont mean to sound like an asshole but people discuss there thoughts

badass gandhi - in general you are correct. but i would still consider patriotism a lesser form of nationalism. self-defence can be taken overboard. war could not result from patriotism alone but patriotism could very well help. And I would not care if Afghanistan took over, however, Its the type of government and the people running the government that I would care about.

sorry godslittlepimp that were all just not mature enough for you. i guess ill just keep trying my hardest to be as mature as you so that you MIGHT join in on the topic. omg that would be like a blessing.

wait a sec...
...no one fucking cares.

wow, lets all be paranoid for no reason :rolleyes:

LOL KING KAI U take things to personal and i am participating this was not for me to respond to it was to get something out of my mind sry if i saounded like an asshole but thats just the way it is with me

Sory For Being An Asshole People

If I used sarcasm I assure you I didnt take it personally.

*snore*
zzzz..... very intressing about this shit...

lol, considering you don't speak english im not suprised you find it boring. Mr. Lee is starting to get as annoying as Randuin.

i agree that it is sad that it took such a huge catastrophe to bring us all together. but i have to say that without it, things would be a lot worse now. i believe god did this for a reason. the world was way out of line in many aspects. when we band together everything would be alright? well, what do you guys think? i have to say that i am not glad that all those innocent people died, but i am glad at what happened after 911....peace be with you all

what makes you think god did this? Is it so hard to believe that people can do things on there own without a great force that controls us? I greatly disagree with that statement :/

I agree with you that people do things on there own but without god looking down on all those people who died and insuring them some type of afterlife then the world seems dismall and all of it looks useless
I've had enough encounters in my life to be sure there is some kind of help out there

wweeeeeeeeeee i am so happ0y this is making me deprest

JohnnyTAE...i would have to agree that there is someone/thing out there however a God that controls everything seems a little extreme. How can you think that life itself is useless. Just because there may not be an afterlife does not mean the life you lived is useless.

In my eyes there is nothing that has made this life usefull unless after I can steal exist and then do more...

You know what I mean but I kinda think that death is just like having a dream that lasts for ever
think about all the impossible things that happened in life and the coincedences that seem like more
There has to be!

There does not have to be. I see what you mean. I believe people need to see the difference between what they want and what is real. Just because you want something to be so badly does not mean it makes the most sense. Sense is something that can be distorted easily. Maybe you do disagree and understand all the elements it would take for there to atually be an afterlife and how fictionous it really sounds. However, if so i cannot argue...only debate.

I dunno I'm trying not to be stubborn on the subject and be able to see both sides but everything I have seen since I was small leads to the existence of an afterlife if you would have been able to experince life through my eye's I'm sure you would understand but that's impossible and so is probably changing your view on the subject

I would never consider anyone stubborn for simply responding to an opionion. I hope I didnt give you that feeling :/ Yes, it probably is impossible to change my views on this but thats only because I havnt seen any convincing enough arguments that make enough sense to be true. Could you maybe share your experiences?

I do not know how to put the experinces I have been here to witness into words but I am sure one day something in your life will present it's self to you and then you will be at the same place as I am now