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Obe 2003-08-07 07:12 PM

My pvp legit sorc
 
items

Wiz (15 res all jewel)
Perfect viper (ber)
Ss (ber)
Perfect Waterwalks
Shako (ber)
crafted ammy
TGods
2x soj (raven against sorcs)
Frosties

skills

max orb
5 cm (is this good?)
max ts
max lm
15 warmth (too much?)
10+ teleport (too much?)

Maybe energy shield, more in warmth and or shiver armor?

Stats

str
enough for ss (-20 from tgods, -7 from mara and shako = 129)

dex
enough for max block

no energy (42 with items)

rest in vit

10 cold 6 with 30+ life, 4 with 12 fhr
10 20 life/17 mana sc

80% fcr
+105% mana +199 mana = 1413 mana
63% dr
297% mana regeneration (Myabe too much??)

Also if that mana regeneration is too much. Thanks.

`Insolence` 2003-08-08 01:15 AM

Well whats it for? I assume VS meele/amas, and you arent even using much block/dex.. You should have got a whits and ber'd it isntead, taht much DR on a sorc isnt even allowed in most tournaments

Obe 2003-08-08 01:52 AM

re
 
Perfect Waterwalks
TGods
2x soj (raven against sorcs)
Frosties

thats all i got so far. i can still change stuff around. thats why i asked. this is just casual play against other legit players. not really tournies. would u still suggest whits? or if i can have high dr is ss good? lmk. i think mele i could handle, most zons although that would be a bit harder. so i should get max block u think? lmk with more ideas. thanks.

undeadzombieguy 2003-08-08 04:14 AM

yes u need max block, also dont use 2 ravens thats cheap dueling
use 1 at max, and u need the mana from the soj.

maxing out cold mastery is pretty useless, 5 points will be enough. Warmth needs 10 points max.

Something I did with my 99 sorc is i put remaining points in teleport, that way i can always get away, even if ur really really low on mana

also maybe use a magewrath instead of ''frosties" this gives u more fcr, which u really need against zons

use 10* cold charms, the only thing u need lighting for is to cast ts, so thats not really nececarry

dont put cham inside that shako, thats useless because it doesnt matter if u get frozen

for stats,

ur str is alright
dex needs to be about 230 at lvl 99 with storm
put the rest in vita
energy the same

charms:
10* cold charms ( 6 with 30+ life and 4 with 12 fhr)
10* serpent small charm of vita (20 life 17 mana)

thats about it, hope this helps :)

Obe 2003-08-08 09:54 AM

so i got 23 points remaining. any ideas? either shiver or tele maybe? let me know. ii think its a waste to use nova cause it is useless for dueling, but maybe i could put some in that. also what should i socket shako with? maybe another ber? thanks for the advice.

undeadzombieguy 2003-08-08 11:38 AM

u can socket the shako with 15 all res jewel or um rune if ur in need for more res, if not then go for a Jah rune

with 23 points left u might want to have 15 in teleport for teleport to cost 3 mana, the remaining points u could put in warmth, that mana recovery always comes in handy

oh y, and about the fhr breakpoints,

Sorceress FHR Breakpoints:
Frame Hit Recovery
8 0%
7 15%
6 39%
5 86%

u need to at least get the 6 fhr

Obe 2003-08-08 11:56 AM

also i just realized i dont need to hel the wiz spike. what would u suggest? i could get 15 res all jewel or something else. lmk what u think.

`Insolence` 2003-08-08 01:55 PM

15 all res jewel... LEGIT dueling usualy doesnt even allow 50+ dr sorcs, because frankly, its very cheap.

Its like an amazon with massive peirce, or a barb with teleport.

Obe 2003-08-08 02:35 PM

well i dont see how having dr is not legit...im not playing in tournaments, just casual. 15 res all jewel is not legit???

Adrenachrome 2003-08-08 02:39 PM

Wiz, put a 15 resist/7% fhr jewel in it.

Apoq 2003-08-08 06:17 PM

yes, try to get 42% faster hit recovery

work on getting a wizards spike with 7%fhr and +all resis/+single resist/+life replenish/+% dmg to mana/life/stat

and take out 1 cold skill/12 fhr and get one with life.

you want 120% faster hit recovery at all times
he 8fps breakpoint IS 105% but you usually doublecast ( will get you killed) if you don't have atleast 120% fcr

since you play in east, you are allowed dr%+block%<95%
in pvpeast and most tournaments

that way you can take out the ravens ( put sojs in both places)

belt, get a crafter caster belt with

10%fcr/+life/+mana/+resist/+fhr/+str

maras? try getting a bonewing or crafted fcr/+2skill/stat/life/resist amulet

dueling zons you probably DON'T want max block %, because you will get stuck blocking losing mana from energy shield and be rendered useless

and in TeamVTeam you want to be able to hit and run, your sorc isn't meant to be a tank if a barb is next to you :)


edit : your skills are VERY nice, what level are you?
put more into cold mastery and having 1 mana requirement for teleport or less is very nice incase you get mana burned..

Obe 2003-08-08 07:57 PM

so on the shield, should I use ss? or maybe something lighter? lmk. also what is bonewing?

apoq as for my lvl, im gaining quickly (im in 90+ runs :P). I wont start dueling until im a bit higher though.

comments are good. keep em rolling. thanks.

undeadzombieguy 2003-08-09 02:43 AM

I think bonewing is a duped rare amu on east with +2 skills/20?fcr and some more stats
every realm has its own duped version of those
on Europe its called like bone talisman or something
its the best amu to have for a sorc

I think its better to just use ss, a lidless (um) maybe vs other sorcs

Now just get ur sorc to lvl 99 and start dueling, is this ur first sorc? maybe need some tips for dueling, just tell

Obe 2003-08-09 07:07 AM

its my first dueling sorc since .08. Some tips would be great. Also i am about to get jah, 2 ber. are you sure that i should jah the shako not ber it? Im not sure, but I think that my life wont be high enough for the returns of 5% life to be as high as 8% dr, but im not sure. thanks.

Also one more thing. Im getting jah, 2x ber and a 70 mana 15 life sc for unided trangs belt and unided trangs helm. should i go for it? Im fairly sure its good, and i can trade the charm for some more stuff.

undeadzombieguy 2003-08-09 09:41 AM

ur probably right with ber being better then jah.
I think u should go for the trade, it seems pretty good to me, but I'm on Europe so I dont really know what items are worth on East

tips:
vs ama
1.always keep teleporting, only stop to quickly switch to orb and hit m, then switch to teleport again and quickly go away
keep doing this till theyre dead
2.be patient, sometimes when ur opponent got alot of res, it could take some time before she's dead, dont try to stop and go head on, u will lose 80% of the time
3.sometimes u got guided arrows chasing u, when u see this and then see them dissapearing they are most of the time still following u and will hit u when u stand still even though u cant see them comming. To prevent this from happening do the following. Once u see the arrows chasing u and become invisible, look for those outsticking corners on the map that look like this
.....|
.....|
..._|______|_
.....|............|

.= passable territory
_ & | = walls

and teleport over the outsticking walls, this way the invisible arrows get stuck in there and are not able to hit u anymore

-vs melee barb
1.also be patient, it can take a long time before a good barb is dead
2. never get close, always try to be at least 3/4 screen away
-vs thrower barbs
1. same as vs ama's

-vs sorc
1. play as defensive as u can, 80% of the time the 1 who is the more defensive 1 wins, dont be TOO defensive though, thats not much fun

-vs melee assa
this shouldnt be to much trouble, keep teleporting once they use that teleport skill(cant remember name:S), teleport away and throw a orb rightaway

-vs trapper
keep teleporting in a chaotic way (just press all over the screen) so that they cant lock u, make sure u have enough fhr and fcr

-vs necro
just dont get hit by those bonespirits

-vs druid
same as vs barb

-vs pala
once ur being charged, teleport 2 screens away and start throwing orbs until u see the pala, then keep repeating this
-FOH pala
same as vs trapper, but once ur locked u have 2 choises, teleport really far away if u can make it, or go straight for the pala and go head to head

thats about it, just 1 thing thats important vs almost all classes
dont teleport in the same pattern over and over, if ur opponent is smart, he/she will notice it and can predict where u gonna be next and u will be dead

oh men , this turned out to be a little bit longer then I expected
just hope it helps u, maybe some1 has some more tips

Apoq 2003-08-09 11:43 AM

if you have a scroll buton mouse you can even orb while you teleport ^_^ you have to have a good connection to do things like that though

i'd ber the shako, i thought you already had the gear you were just going to put it on her ..

bonewing is 2 skill 10fcr 23 prizmatic

use oculus+lidwall on switch for dueling (you lose 20% from going down to oculus but gain the 20% back from lidwall) and for prebuffing your T-S

Obe 2003-08-09 03:56 PM

thanks for the help. almost got all the items. the charms will be hard to get though

Obe 2003-08-10 11:13 AM

to gain 120 fcr, i think i have to use magefists. 30 from armor, 50 from weapon, 10 from belt, 10 from ammy. thats 100. so mage would give me 120. let me know if there is another way. thanks.

undeadzombieguy 2003-08-10 11:22 AM

get an amu with 20% fcr and a circlet with 10% fcr
but then u wont have shako anymore

also u could use lidless wall instead of ss but that will cost u much dr and u will have no block

so using magefists is the best solution

Obe 2003-08-10 02:00 PM

yea. well ill test it out to see if i have enough mana to rid of frosties. I got my 3 bers so i can socket all the stuff. all that is left is 15 res all 7fhr jewel, 8x +1 cold 30+ life gc, 2x +1 cold 12 fhr, 10x 20 life 17 mana sc. anyone know how much that will cost me? im about to get 11 32020s (tomorrow), which i think could get me some of the skill charms. lmk what u guys think. thanks.

Apoq 2003-08-13 08:13 AM

if you can get 950+ mana (assuming you are a good level 85+, and have life/mana sc's shouldn't be too hard)


cold skill/35+ is about 2-3 rune a peice, which roughly translates to 4-5 3/20/20s

Obe 2003-08-13 04:56 PM

now as for block and dex, what should i do? if i dont want dex then ill get 7fhr -15% req jewel. if i do then ill get something else for the wiz. lmk.

Obe 2003-08-13 07:43 PM

one problem im having, is that orb is a very bad cow killer, unless i got a zon near me. any suggestions? itll be really hard to lvl her past 95 or 96. shes at 88 as of now.

Apoq 2003-08-14 10:45 AM

a dex/life/res/fhr-req jewel is optimal socket for the wizspike
(wizards spike with -15% req only requires 60 dexterity)

yes orb isn't "cow ownage" try using some +lightning/skills and use static field to get them to about 40% life and use 1-2 orbs to finish them off

Obe 2003-08-14 12:52 PM

so do u suggest getting a low block (enough dex for wiz), 75 block or something in between?

Apoq 2003-08-14 10:10 PM

yes you want dexterity as low as possible, to get as much life/mana as possible and it gives you the ability to get away and let some mana regen so you don't get block locked mana burned, and most importantly dead.

Pekson 2003-08-14 10:21 PM

I hear dueling without energy sheild on is good....is this true? Ive never really played a sorc without it....

Apoq 2003-08-15 09:51 AM

if you have low block % and dtm% (damage to mana) using energy shield will help keep you from getting pounded too hard physically

Obe 2003-08-15 09:22 PM

just got an awesome jewel. unduped i think. 7 fhr 15 res all. got it for 08 valor, gul, 40/15 jewel and unided gaze. imo a great deal. should i put it in wiz or is it too good? lmk. thanks.

Apoq 2003-08-16 12:42 PM

put it in Wiz


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