What is out there?
 

Personally I have never been out to Iraq, dunno about you guys... but what is really out there? How do we not know our government isnt controling what we see? People from North Korea are showed lies, and I bet they beleive it. I mean, we have so much trust into our gov(not all, but most) that it makes us blind and easy to be misguided. I honestly won't beleive any of the shit unless I see it, touch it, and hear it for my self.

I don't trust anyone so much that I would be easily misguided.

Yes, it's possible they could be just showing us a puppet show, but either way I really don't give a damn, they are the ones fighting the "war," not me.

Yes, dont care if your not fighting wars well... what if we are the "Iraq" type. The threat to other nations? What if we are killing people who haven't done anything? Let me give you a theory I came up with....

Back in the days, Rome would fight wars, tell their people the people they were fighting were doing bad things to get the support of the people. Nothing will boost nationality more than a war(revenge included). What if US planed 7/11... I mean the clues the people who did it left around was so obivious for such organized people. Our economy(spellcheck) was going down, Bush would be to blamed for it... so he probly we support it. Also, after it happend, many people signed up to join the arm service. Giving the US plenty of men to fight a war. Later its "Iraq" we focused on. Now, we go over there and take over kinda. Now we will help them whip their ass and run there gov, giving us pretty good access to the oil over there. So, what I am saying is how don't we know 7/11 was to get support and people to get into are services so we could get to iraq, the "oil"? We don't know, we don't see whats going on for real.

We pick our president? Hmm, something sounds funny about those votes didnt they? Maybe the gov made bush win, so we would think he is continuing his dad job against iraq. So, this would drift our thoughts away to the above theory... not saying this is true, but it does cross my mind.

We aren't doing anything, our government is.

I agree, that is why I want to get rich... I wan't to go out and find out the truth myself.

:rolleyes: You Have A Good Point We Really Don't Know What Is Going On In Iraq

Hey guys, lets go crash a plane into the Sears Tower to rally our people, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Anyways, no way we planned that. There are too many factors involved. Why did one crash? Why would we waste billions of dollars and two landmarks and cause our economy to drop to rally people? Is oil really THAT important?

I do beleive Bush attacked Iraq for the oil, but him planning September 11th is bullshit.

acer did you by any chance watch "mancurian candidate". btw i agree with your roman comparison. after all americans have always compared themselves to romans and tried to be like them, so heres whats in store for you yanks. bush will name himself dictator and will name a month after himself claiming he's jesus incarnated then he'll get shot to death by colin powell and after several coupes the country will be ruled by a guy named jimbo bush who will accept the jehovas witnesses and illegilise all other bringing forth more conflicts, racial disputes, etnich clensing, and rebellions bringing forth a new dark age filled with disease and war that will halve the population and halve it again. i can't wait

Acer, even though "sept" means 7, SEPTember isnt the 7th month.

September was the Seventh month in old Roman times. Julius Caesar added two months without changing the name of the rest.

Acer was talking about Rome a few sentences ago, so I guess he probably thought like the Romans for awhile. :p

Anyway, I wouldn't think that Bush planned such deeds.

WTF would they do that, this is just stupid..

Imagine the anarchy if something came out to us..

..North korea doesnt let anyone get on the internet, meaning, almost no access to anyone outside, we on the other hand, would know about anything around the world through internet.

Theres no way the government can filter what we send through aim, or through anything for that matter.

This is just a stupid arguement, it makes no sense, but i suppose it could be possible, but odds are 1 - 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to the 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000th power

The rich dont *find out* the truth they make it. ;)

shit posted twice sry.

Im not saying "BUSH" did it, but I wont say its not possible and he didnt for sure. If someone leaves america and comes back to tell me whats out there, it won't be any good. If the gov wants to keep is secret, I don't think they would let the people who've been out there go unsilenced.

Yes, and 7/11? Wasn't thinking like a roman, wasn't thinking at all it seems lol, my mistake.

Now people also say, 9/11(ahh lets get it right this time :P) made us stronger. Let me think about it, people trying to act full of pride to be noticed. Flags and stuff making money off of it(good for economic wise), people buying them to show their pride but yet its been what 2 years almost and no one shows their pride anymore. All we have left is horrible flying and companies going out of down and out. People would do crazy stuff to show their "pride" to get on TV(thats how I feel). I mean if you are really so proud then you wouldn't need 9/11 to have you do these things. Just taking adv of the moment it seems.

No, selling maybe 100 million flags for 79 cents each wouldnt be enough to boost the economy enough to have done it on purpose.

This is borderline impossible, if this unravled(sp) and was true, do you realize the amount of people that would DIE (bush, his administration, everyone in the government)

Familys of the 9/11 people would kill anything involved, FBI, CIA, all of that, a civil war possibly... a revolution

*mouth waters* revolution i like the sound of that. socialist factions fighting one another for control over the fight against the government. a communist revolution who will take bush and chronies out to the square and cut off their heads and genitals and parade them around.

what you dont know cant piss you off, thinking like that just makes it easier for them to do it and not get caught.

It does make sence, and actually a friend and I have been discussing this topic. Crazy Republicans.

I will have to disagree w/ the fact that our gov might be hiding shit i got to family members thast have came back from Iraq. They told me that most shit on the news is true. But maybe my family could be brain washed. Maybe Sadam Hussien is really a woman. Maybe, Osama bin Laden will flyout of my ass. It does not matter maybe. I will believe whatever is most believed by other ppl who r actually involved in it and not ppl who sit at home on there comp and do absolutly nothing bout this war or have any part in it.

shut up, if you were the one that was in iraq and you were told to keep you mouth shut about the truth, or your family would pay, wtf would you do then? you would tell your family what they told you. Sit at home and do nothing? I rather do that than risk my life for oil, that is the reason they are out there, to get more control over the oil.

listen acer I'm not crackin on ppl that are sittin at home I'm just sayin if i have to believe someone its going to have to be some one who is expieriencing the war or in congress or sumtin not sumone who is not in the war or involved in it at all. And how do u know its oil. what if there is no such thing as irag what if this was the only nation in the world and our government is hiding things from us.... that is basically what u r sayin u gotta believe sumone and i choose to believe ppl who r involved in it.

Acer you dumbass, where the hell would you get that idea. I am actually offended at what you are saying in this thread. You sound 100% anti-american. If you don't believe in our government then why the hell are you living here? Move to Canada, stupid fucker.

stfu, im offended you read half my post and said that. I said in my post I dont beleive in it, but I don't beleive it isnt true. Im opened minded! No, I don't beleive in our government, dosen't mean its the worse one in the world, so why the fuck would I leave? Stupid ass, think before you speak, try to understand what I am saying rather than your false pride defense stopping my meaning.

Im just saying, think about it... and about the oil, watch the news alittle, its uncovering itself. Some news has been about the oil, not big news but still there. The UN wasn't giving us support, why? Maybe our reason's weren't strong enough, Bush still hasn't produced enough evidence to support the war, they were talking about that on CNN.

You're 100% retarded and I'm not going to waste any more time fiddling with your bullshit posts. Heh, telling me to think before I speak... maybe you should pull out some Hooked On Phonics and learn to read you fucking jackass.

Why do you people think this war was about oil? Stop being so shallow. It has been proven that Saddam Hussein worked with Osama Bin Laden, making him a threat. Threats need to be eliminated. And it took a stupid enough president (George Bush Jr.) to eliminate him(in an indirect way, think about it). Now, I don't especially like George Bush but I don't believe that they would make all this shit up just for oil. You can take your shallow theory and shove it up your ass, and stop offending me and my government with your anti-political views.

blah blah blah, you just stateing things your heard... which is exactly was I was talking about... and if you haven't figured out I dont serious beleive that shit, then dont post on my threads. You just a noob that has turned a fine thread into a flame war.

Your gov? its not yours, and it started out talking about whats out there, I based my theorys are reasonable facts, if you cant accept there is a chance that what I said could be true, then your narrow minded. Im a idealist, I just think of things that no one else does, does it mean I beleive it? NO! So now stfu, have a good day, you loose

You have no proof whatsoever of there not being a war in Iraq. I agree that you have the right to your own opinion. However, if you know it will piss people off, and like you said, you don't believe it, then why the hell would you post it? You post anti-political opinions and expect someone like me (a patriot) to not post on your threads. And then you call me a "noob" in a conspiracy thread. Spare me, we aren't playing Diablo 2.

Yes, my government. My country also. Name a reasonable fact that explains there not being a war in Iraq. Allow me to counter-reason for a moment. There are millions of people that the government would have to silence before they could even think about staging a war, then add in every news person that would be reporting on it, and actual people who would be shipped to this "war". It becomes an almost impossible task. Not unless there was a massive mind control operation going on, but that's straying from the point. The point is, the theory is completely and 100% bullshit, and you know it whether you say you believe in it or not. And this isn't a flame war, no one wins.

I didn't say there wasn't a war in iraq lol. Why post it? Its Conspiracy forum, thats what it is for. Post all you want, but you started a flame type post, which is why I posted what I did. Its my country too, but this country was built on free speech. Yes, I think it is far fetch, but I won't ever feel that its never possible. 100% bullshit? thinking that way makes it easier for them to do it, there always has to be someone to think of these things, otherwise who knows what would be going on. I just said I win to piss you off, lol. The reason I didn't respond with a flame is I understand why you got mad, I kinda got narrow minded myself. So, if you agree with me or not, that "it is possible" I really dont care, I will post my threorys(not saying you are trying to stop me)