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Jamesadin 2002-12-23 04:46 PM

Lets try to keep this going, since he have alot of new members since.


God is real, no doubt about it. Well, thats what I think.

byrdclaw 2002-12-23 05:14 PM

too much reading on the subject.. so many pages.

basically.. there's no evidence for God other than written word.

BTW.. I have a 14 inch dick... do you believe that??

c'mon.. it's written word.
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Anyways. There's proof for natural selection (there is no proof for evolution, even darwin kinda went back and forth on whether evolution from monkeys was possible) natural selection requires that some form of evolution takes place over a long period of time, doesn't mean monkeys are our ancestors, but it means that it COULD happen... just as much COULD as... there COULD be a God.

I personally just think the bible was written by a guy who was a good writer. so good that tons of people believed him just as people believed HG Wells reading of the war of the worlds.

Strider Fury 2002-12-23 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by byrdclaw
doesn't mean monkeys are our ancestors, but it means that it COULD happen... just as much COULD as... there COULD be a God.


natedowgg 2002-12-24 08:07 AM

OK!!! here is my opinion... (i voted no) human brains are incapable of imnagining life after deathrite? so that means that we MANIFESTED the idea of a "god" to keep ourselves comforted and btw those "scientific proofs" were probably phenomenons as in SCIENTIFIC so go join the church of christian scientists... go bug ppl entering the hospital or sumthing
-nate

JohnnyTAE 2002-12-24 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by natedowgg
OK!!! here is my opinion... (i voted no) human brains are incapable of imnagining life after deathrite? so that means that we MANIFESTED the idea of a "god" to keep ourselves comforted and btw those "scientific proofs" were probably phenomenons as in SCIENTIFIC so go join the church of christian scientists... go bug ppl entering the hospital or sumthing
-nate

Out of the things humans could manifest somebody sure did manifest a good story and lots of history into making a bible and all this other stuff. Also back then it wasn't the way it is today, No freedom of religion or nothing. do you think these people manifest themself a false truth just too die?
Don't get me wrong I am very skeptical of storys like "god" and "miracles" but in the concern of faith it is something that has always been there to get me through the hard times. Now if god doesn't exist then atleast I still had the psycological support to make it through certain situations, a lot like Santa makes the children smile after they know he has been there...

Caro 2002-12-24 03:11 PM

i believe we came from monkeys, so much proof to it i do not understand why people chose to deny it. There is no god. There is not someone or something watching over us. If there was then he is a pretty evil person and not a god.

Jamesadin 2002-12-24 03:20 PM

Why would you think that?

Demosthenes 2002-12-24 03:52 PM

I agree with caro about the fact that there is tons of evidence leading to the conclusion of people coming from monkeys. I do not wish to offend anyone, but I also agree with caro about the part he states about god where hs sais
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If there was then he is a pretty evil person and not a god.
Look at all the evil in the world today. If there is a god why doesn't he put a stop to it? O well...maybe ill understand 1 day.

Chruser 2002-12-24 04:24 PM

Religions were emerged from people's personal urges for power and wealth. They're just there to make us sleep better at night.

natedowgg 2002-12-25 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by natedowgg
we MANIFESTED the idea of a "god" to keep ourselves comforted
-nate

exactly wut i said chruser...

Strider Fury 2002-12-25 03:39 PM

lets face it; there's just as much prove that God exist as there is prove that we came from primates or meteroids. thats why I choose to remain netural and optimistic about this entire thing.

Jamesadin 2002-12-25 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
If there is a god why doesn't he put a stop to it?

Because we brought the chaos onto ourselves.

JohnnyTAE 2002-12-25 11:48 PM

With freewill comes many great and some not so great things.
Laws of entropy- All things go from Organized to Chaos.
So with that in mind only things can get worst but may faith give light that shines even in the darkest heart.

Demosthenes 2002-12-26 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Strider Fury
lets face it; there's just as much prove that God exist as there is prove that we came from primates or meteroids.

Such as?

JohnnyTAE 2002-12-26 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
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Originally Posted by Strider Fury
lets face it; there's just as much prove that God exist as there is prove that we came from primates or meteroids.

Such as?

ancient documents, history, holy artifacts. You might say that isn't ne thing but 1000yrs from now documents and artifacts might be the only proof of evolution...

Valmar 2002-12-26 06:06 PM

I completyly believe in god with all of my heart but one question... jesus has been dead for about 2000 years how in the hell is there still more testimants coming out... ive always wandered how they say jesus told them something and just decide to tell someone 2000 years later..personally if jesus told me something i get up and go spread the word that instant, cause if a holy being tells you something your either crazy or extremly blessed either way people should know that. I do however dissagree with one part of the bible... the tower of babble, why on earth would god make everyone speak a different language... he knows they wont get to the holy heavens above and im sure there were dissbelievers back then so every human on earth coudnt have been working on it... and i think the stone henges could possibably be the tower of bable.. it is sorta in a tower shape and i dont see how all them heavy ass rocks got up there it MUST have taken at least 500 people to do it unless they used the dirt wedge method.

Strider Fury 2002-12-26 07:09 PM

what on earth are you talking about?

Caro 2002-12-27 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
caro about the part he states about god where hs sais
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I am a girl.... lmao.

But yeah i read an article about evolution. And how many things helped the Chimps evolve into what they are known today... humans. Maybe you people should research on this a bit. Look at the many ways the skull of monkeys has changed into the skull of humans. You will see. But it still remains on what you believe. Everyone can believe in what they want and will always think it is right. There is no right or wrong in this topic because it is an ongoing controversy.

Jamesadin 2002-12-27 03:39 PM

Maybe that did happen, but people have to realize that the Bible was translated and passed down through word of mouth for hundreds of years...think that it could have changed?

Strider Fury 2002-12-27 03:55 PM

very. the Bible originated from a rather dark period of time and place. everytime the story is told some people may change it to make it better or for it to make more sense. another example of this is that if you've ever played this game when you were little in school where the teacher begins by whispering something into the other person's ear and tell them to pass it on, and at the end the sentence will be different than the original once it gets to the end of the circle. and we are talking bout serveral hundreds years before the Bible even began to be written.


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