PLEASE. Hell, I'd be willing to trade jamer for D3v. Just ban jamer and unban D3v, you won't hear a complaint out of me.

Seconded, and let's throw Kazilla in there while we're at it.

I don't think the first is really fair for Jamer, but the second I'm all for. I do believe the term asshat truly applies. If not, then douchecanoe is second.

So you're claiming to be unbiased? I call bullshit. If you lost your bias you could see it another way also. It's pretty much the pot calling the kettle black. The chatlogs are unimpressive and prove nothing. I personally talked to MJ just a month or two ago and he was considering coming back to posting on the science forums exclusively, but he decided not to.

Like I said before, I do not believe D3v's actions were the main causes of their departures. I believe the elements were already there. MJ had been telling me for a GOOD WHILE before he left that he planned to. He was even going to get rid of his computer so as to avoid the temptation.

Grav was close to gone anyways for months before hand. It didn't take much to get him to leave. And in all honesty, he was doing the exact same thing you accuse D3v of doing. He was constantly messaging MJ up and telling him he knew who he really was.

And like I've said before, there's no reason why you can't just ban D3v if he fucks up. These two guys were intelligent enough to ask for action to be taken before they left if they REALLY wanted to stay that bad. But it really didn't take much to push them over the edge.

And lastly, I loved MJ, but the guy's going to learn that you can't hide your true self from someone you want to spend your life with. From what I could tell he really loves her. Yea, you can avoid saying cross words, etc., but deep "important" things such as this should not be neglected. I'm not saying this gave D3v the right to act like he was going to do something, but it's just something that bothers me. But that's his demons he'll have to deal with.

I've changed my mind. I think D3v should be unbanned, with the following condition:

Should he, in the future, become a threat to the future of and the general well-being of Zelaron, he goes back to banned land. Obviously, that doesn't include him trolling, unless it gets completely out of hand and he starts making Zelaron a shitty place to be.

While I don't necessarily agree with D3v being unbanned, I've assessed the situation and, regardless of whether or not D3v deserves to be permanently banned, I think it's best for Zelaron as a whole that he be unbanned. The perpetual arguing, bitching, and general unhappiness caused by him being permanently banned is worse than him not being banned, in my opinion. I'd rather be trolled by D3v than be trolled by everyone else.

Yes this is legit, no D3v hasn't stolen my account. Fuck you all.

No-one except D3V will be banned if he screws up again. I am unable to access the admin control panel from my phone for some reason, so I have told WetWired to unban D3V.

I think it would be ideal to supplant permanent bans (except for spambots) with temporal bans of exponentially increasing time. In other words, the first ban may last a day, the second ban two days, the third for four days and so on. It should hopefully give problematic members an incentive to improve over time. With the exception of LiveWired, no other "dedicated" member has really been banned from Zelaron for several years, anyway.

I will respond to some of your discussions later on. I am busy unpacking things in my new apartment in Stockholm, and will have no home connection available for a few weeks, unfortunately.

This should be interesting.

The voice of reason, as always.

I managed to procure a regular connection, for now. I have unbanned D3V.

I don't think KA ever really intended to permaban anyone else for D3V's actions. He's not that stupid.

Hey, this guy sees what I did there.

I mean, it's not hard to see what you were doing. Obviously, I'm not here nearly as much as I used to be, but does that mean that me vouching for the guy was any less meaningful? No, it doesn't. And comparing me to Sirp is ridiculous, because I've contributed 100x more than he did. If my life wasn't so hectic (work, newly engaged, new house, new puppy, etc.) I would be here just as often as before. I still like checking in to see what's happening, and hopefully I will eventually be able to continue in the future, and more often.

We'll see. Either way, I was happy to read up on this thread and see other members willing to vouch for D3V, because he deserved it IMO. I'm glad he is officially unbanned now, and I would certainly agree that progressive disciplinary actions would be a "smarter" choice in the future.