Yeah, that is a bit off subject. But Silverjinx18, I have to commend you for trying to help people, but I am saying that if you were trying to force your beliefs on someone, then it would be wrong. I am not saying that you are. And Stider Fury, you make an excellent point. It is kind of hard for me to write something that almosts sounds like it is bashing christianaity, so I am having to choose my words carefully. I think there are punishments for all religions, except for atheists, but I won't get into that right now. That will be a whole new thread. Every religion basically says that if you don't believe what we say, you will go to hell, or whatever else there is. (I am not that smart in world religions...yet.)

True but I dont think you can say that what Osama is doing is based on Islam. I dont think it is Islam that makes Osama murder us, it is his own hate, all he is doing is using Islam as an excuse. There have been many murders based on christianity also. Two perfect examples are the IRA in Northern Ireland and the KKK. Both of these groups have murdered based on their religious beliefs, but because of what they do you can't brand christianity as a bad religion either.

Personally I think that if their is a god that their is only one. Hindu's, Muslims, Christians, they all prey to the same god just in different forms.

And I have one question for christians: What seperates Jesus from the common man. We are all gods children if I am correct so why is Jesus the one so special???

whats your point james?

Good point...and I really don't think much seperates us...but Jesus chose to come to earth and be a sacrafice through a human form to live w/ and like us. And the second question I look at it like ummmm...the movie Merlyn...like the women makes him and he is born through a mortal yet he is the same as her and he will save the world from the new ways...???get it...

Actually, Muslims and Christians DO believe in the same God. It's in the Koran. They believe that Jesus was a prophet whose words were twisted by men and that Mohammad (the Koran's author) was another prophet who spoke directly to Allah (God). Christianity denies that Mohammad was a prophet. That's the main difference between them.

Islam in fact teaches non-violence, but does state that you CAN commit violence to defend your religion (originated around the time of the Crusades actually) . Many dictators and terrorists twist this idea.

Yeah. They twist it in many different ways. And I know that chrisitanity looks down on violence, but thenthe question is, why is it the army fights. To protect freedom, but not religion? I could never get that. I am not saying that I am not grateful for the men who put themselves on the line, I am just sayig that I am not sure that as Christians, and Americans, we should have to resort to violence to solve all our problems. I don't think it is right to kill someone because they believe something else. Recent war on Afghanistan in general. I know it was wrong what the terrorists did, but we fought back. Sure we were angry, but we killed not only the enemy, but innocents too. It was too much for me. We can even look back into the past. Revolutionary War, Civil War. (don't even get me started on the civil war.) As americans, and supposed Christians, we fight way too much. Why not do as Mohandas Gandhi? He fought for what he believed in, and didn't draw a drop of blood.

Oh yeah, and Strider, Hitler Youth as your title. WHAT???

Yeah, the hitler youth thing kinda annoyed me a bit too.

but see I don't understand how we can believe in the same thing (God vs. Mohammad) but everything be so different...

That is a really good point vegeta and I wish we could live like this. The reason I think we can not is that not everyone can rise to the level at which you are thinking. When we get angered primitive human instinct comes back and we just want to fight. What we did in afghanistan was really try to take out the terrorists to prevent furture terror. You can look at this in two ways though. One, as the United States being judgemental and racist and predicting that they would cause harm to the United States again, which would probably be the case in most middle eastern countries. The second way is that we are protecting ourselves. That is how we look at it here. I dont think the millitary is retalliating as much as protecting us. The innocent people that dies were casualties of war...which unfortuantely can not be avoided...or so we here anyways. What you say about Mohandas Gandhi would be really nice but Gandhi was a very smart man and there is almost no one as smart as him. I believe his phillosophies would work in a more civilized age but we aren't capable of accepting this and until every single human being on this earth can preach and abide by non-violence I dont believe gandhis' phillosophy can work.

Rurouni storm: What about the other religions such as Hindu, judaism, and others

SilverJinx: Protestants and Catholics make war over religion and yet they are soo similar. It makes no sense and is all very sad, but true.

i can name at least ten things that the American forces could have done to prevent unessiary casulties in Afganistan, and that is excluding not fighting there at all. there was no way that Bush Jr. could have sat there thinking bout ways to prevent them while the American people were as pissed as hell which would result in the possiblilty of losing his next election. something was needed to be done so they attacked Afganistan in haste with very little peperations. the war had nothing to do with religion what-so-ever on the American side as far as Bush was concerned. all he wanted to do was to save his own busted ass, and that is what our religion have been reduced into.

Strider, I have to disagree here. Perhaps bush was doing this to save his own ass and maybe it was without preperation, but America as a whole wanted revenge on Osama Bin Laden, and whenever you fight there will be some accidental civvilian casualties. Yes he could've taken so precautions and planned better but you can not expect him to be perfect. He is a retard but I dont think he is a bad man, and I dont think he wants to blindly kill people. I think his objective was to keep America happy and safe.

so hey, you know what? fuck the whole world. its America that only counts anyways.

well as long as ur living in america you might as well try and keep it safe. This is off-subject though but oh-well.

i was just saying that the core of America is losing its Christianity. but nnoooo, you just had to pull some of those CNN poparganda shit on me.

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Why not. It worked for him. He was a great man. He fought for what he believed in, and was known throughout the world for it.

And Strider.....I hate to say this, but I agree with you a bit. My friends that I attend school with, eat every minute up of a war. i can't stand it. It may be American nature to fight, but I hate that innocent people, that may not even want to be involved in the conflict get killed. It makes America look bad.

I can name 20 things that the US could've done that would've caused more casaulties than there are. They were really pissed and showed a lot of restraint. Some countries would've brought out the nukes.

when you are the president of a country that is your main job to concentrate on them..
your mom doesn't birth you then go take care of someone else's kids

so tell me "Logic", if that is your real name, how does one saves his own ass in exchange of hundreds of needless causlties?

but then again lets just drop this subject. if you really look at it, Bush sold his soul to the devil.

Sold his soul.O_O Now I wouldn't go that far. He may have been a bit rash, but sold his soul:killgrin:

Lets try to keep this going, since he have alot of new members since.


God is real, no doubt about it. Well, thats what I think.

too much reading on the subject.. so many pages.

basically.. there's no evidence for God other than written word.

BTW.. I have a 14 inch dick... do you believe that??

c'mon.. it's written word.
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Anyways. There's proof for natural selection (there is no proof for evolution, even darwin kinda went back and forth on whether evolution from monkeys was possible) natural selection requires that some form of evolution takes place over a long period of time, doesn't mean monkeys are our ancestors, but it means that it COULD happen... just as much COULD as... there COULD be a God.

I personally just think the bible was written by a guy who was a good writer. so good that tons of people believed him just as people believed HG Wells reading of the war of the worlds.

OK!!! here is my opinion... (i voted no) human brains are incapable of imnagining life after deathrite? so that means that we MANIFESTED the idea of a "god" to keep ourselves comforted and btw those "scientific proofs" were probably phenomenons as in SCIENTIFIC so go join the church of christian scientists... go bug ppl entering the hospital or sumthing
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Out of the things humans could manifest somebody sure did manifest a good story and lots of history into making a bible and all this other stuff. Also back then it wasn't the way it is today, No freedom of religion or nothing. do you think these people manifest themself a false truth just too die?
Don't get me wrong I am very skeptical of storys like "god" and "miracles" but in the concern of faith it is something that has always been there to get me through the hard times. Now if god doesn't exist then atleast I still had the psycological support to make it through certain situations, a lot like Santa makes the children smile after they know he has been there...

i believe we came from monkeys, so much proof to it i do not understand why people chose to deny it. There is no god. There is not someone or something watching over us. If there was then he is a pretty evil person and not a god.

Why would you think that?

I agree with caro about the fact that there is tons of evidence leading to the conclusion of people coming from monkeys. I do not wish to offend anyone, but I also agree with caro about the part he states about god where hs sais Look at all the evil in the world today. If there is a god why doesn't he put a stop to it? O well...maybe ill understand 1 day.

Religions were emerged from people's personal urges for power and wealth. They're just there to make us sleep better at night.

exactly wut i said chruser...

lets face it; there's just as much prove that God exist as there is prove that we came from primates or meteroids. thats why I choose to remain netural and optimistic about this entire thing.

Because we brought the chaos onto ourselves.

With freewill comes many great and some not so great things.
Laws of entropy- All things go from Organized to Chaos.
So with that in mind only things can get worst but may faith give light that shines even in the darkest heart.

Such as?

ancient documents, history, holy artifacts. You might say that isn't ne thing but 1000yrs from now documents and artifacts might be the only proof of evolution...

I completyly believe in god with all of my heart but one question... jesus has been dead for about 2000 years how in the hell is there still more testimants coming out... ive always wandered how they say jesus told them something and just decide to tell someone 2000 years later..personally if jesus told me something i get up and go spread the word that instant, cause if a holy being tells you something your either crazy or extremly blessed either way people should know that. I do however dissagree with one part of the bible... the tower of babble, why on earth would god make everyone speak a different language... he knows they wont get to the holy heavens above and im sure there were dissbelievers back then so every human on earth coudnt have been working on it... and i think the stone henges could possibably be the tower of bable.. it is sorta in a tower shape and i dont see how all them heavy ass rocks got up there it MUST have taken at least 500 people to do it unless they used the dirt wedge method.

what on earth are you talking about?

I am a girl.... lmao.

But yeah i read an article about evolution. And how many things helped the Chimps evolve into what they are known today... humans. Maybe you people should research on this a bit. Look at the many ways the skull of monkeys has changed into the skull of humans. You will see. But it still remains on what you believe. Everyone can believe in what they want and will always think it is right. There is no right or wrong in this topic because it is an ongoing controversy.

Maybe that did happen, but people have to realize that the Bible was translated and passed down through word of mouth for hundreds of years...think that it could have changed?

very. the Bible originated from a rather dark period of time and place. everytime the story is told some people may change it to make it better or for it to make more sense. another example of this is that if you've ever played this game when you were little in school where the teacher begins by whispering something into the other person's ear and tell them to pass it on, and at the end the sentence will be different than the original once it gets to the end of the circle. and we are talking bout serveral hundreds years before the Bible even began to be written.