I have also thought that perhaps something like this was possible but everything has 2 start somewhere. All the microscopic but immense density which was out universe as stated by the big bang theory must've started somewhere. But if god made that then what made god??? If you say that god has magically always just been there that would make nor more sense then just saying that our whole universe was just there. It's all very confusing to me and honestly I dont know what to think but the reason I don't believe in a supernatural being is that it is 1/unlimited posibilities.

Yes I understand that, but God says we will know in due time...which seems to be soon...i dunno...I just pray you find the answer when you need to...i'm not trying to push anything on anyone...just try'n to do my job as a christian and hope i'm not thought of a lesser person for doing so :) I just don't see how someone could go through life and go through our generation and not beleave that there is a God because of what is happening in the world today...

Dont worry about it :) Probably 30% of Zelaron are Christians, including me.

#3. I am an offical Apostle of the Church of the Apathetic Agnostic.

We simply believe that there is no real way for humans to know whether or not God exists.

yeah, but do you expect to go to heaven? I mean isn't that a key to the pearly gates? to beleave in God and all?

When we die, we will find out what happens anyway, so why bother trying to find out the truth? It won't make any change then, unless you get locked inside the thought you have at the moment you die.

God doesnt nessisary judge rather you'll be going to hell or heaven based on what kind of a belief or religion you follow, but as long as you are a good moral decent being. God isnt so dumb that someone can pull one of those i choose to 'believe' in God so that i wont have to goto hell when i die' kinda thing, cause thats probably the most retarded thing even i've ever heard, let alone God himself.

but doesn't it say in the bible that if you dont believe in Jesus Christ then youll go to hell?

ummmm yeah ... yeah it does... and what chruser said...it's about knowing where you're going when you die...not if it's right or not...if you wait to find out everything before you die then it will be to late...

doesnt the beattitudes says that the ones who are pure in heart will enter his kingdom?


'if you dont believe in Jesus Christ'? what in God's green Earth are you talking bout?

The idea they are referring to:
The only way to achieve salvation is through being reborn through Jesus Christ. His sacrafice cleanses you of your sins.

i dont get Christianity. its like being forced into believeing in God or you'll goto hell, and if you're a good person but doesnt believe in God you'll still goto hell. its like saying 'hey, however many times you sin, thats cool with me. but as long as you believe in me, you wont get to goto hell.' i mean, like, honestly, its that bigotry or not?

In a hurry and cant read it all but I didnt vote simply because the word "God" (when you really have read into this stuff) can mean many many different things. Soooo, sorta too vague there. :D

That's the whole idea man. The only stipulation of going to Heaven in Christianity is to believe and to accept. You just have to believe that Jesus Christ died to save you from your sins and accept him as your savior. Ya, it may sound like bigotry, but you gotta think about it... If perfection and being free of sin were the only way to get into heaven, then only Jesus would be there.

You are kinda right. A lot of Chrisians though they won't admit it, force their beliefs on other people. I am a Christian, but i try to be open to other people's beliefs. I believe that you don't have to attend church every other day, but you have to be a good person. Whether or not you choose to believe in God is up to you.

Then, I can get into the fact that their actually may be more than one god. God said that you only worship him, but who is he showing us off to. He didn't just create us to watch himself did he? I mean, there is no way top know. It is hard to know what to believe in. I guess that if you are brought up i a christian town by a christian family, most likely you are going to be christian. Same as buddhists, or whatever. And who says that maybe the buddhist god isn't the same god that christians worship.

hmmm. good point. but anyways i dont think that Buddhsium really requies you to worship any perticular god(s). the religion is sort of a way of living; to carry out your best each day, to do the absolute right thing and to be a good person morally. but then again, that brings out another subject; that do all Buddist goes to hell, even though they might be a better person then most Christians? and bob, is not like i dont want to believe, its just that i find the whole concept a little bit hard to swallow, but i try to live each day to my best and try to be a good person anyways.

Satan

I don't think most Christians force their beliefs on others. I think most Mormons force their beliefs on others. Most followers of the Christian faith that I socialize with don't make a huge deal of alerting others to their faith.

I don't know that we try to force ppl into our beliefs...we are just a caring religion...I mean sorry for wanting to see that you make it into a wonderful place to live...streets of gold ppl! God has worked his ass off for us...we(christians) should do the same for him by helping ppl learn about christianity....

We don't even know if there's a heaven. The whole point of my faith is that there's no real way for us to know. If I go to hell for my beliefs, so be it.

In the way I live, I'm almost a Buddhist, though an unofficial one. I meditate for 10 minutes every morning as it helps relax and reflect on the day before. I'm almost a vegetarian (I eat dairy products and chicken every once in a while)

Put your trust in other people and you're bound to be stabbed in the back eventually, though. That's what experience has taught me. I keep a very small, select group of trusted friends.

i like your reasoning storm. and i am not going to believe that God is going to thow me in Hell by being a good person but doesnt believe in Christianity.

That's something I believe in personally. We're judged by our actions, not our faith.

Ouch!...Hell is like hot and shit man! When you go to Hell you spend forever in a lake of fire...sucks to be you!

aha! right there is hard evidence of believeing in God only out of the fear of going to Hell.

Hell is God's own little fetish. and i thought that he was all forgiving and stuff.

He is...but you must beleave that you have done something wrong and beleave that you are a sinner. And no I don't beleave in Christ just because I don't wont to go to Hell...I beleave because of all the hard evidence He has given me to beleave in Him so that I won't have to go to Hell...

all I think hell is, is a mourning for your own grief or your guilt something that will happen in your own mind spirt what ever you want too call it

Heard this in a Nat Geo video:
Jews don't believe that hell is a seperate place from heaven. Hell is simply the absence of, or distance from the presence of God. So all the people go to the same place when they die. Some are just really far out.

Could u give us some examples of hard evidence that would lead you to believe that the whole universe is gods work alone, and that their were no other factors in its creation, and that christ has been sent from heaven to frogive us of our sins.

oh you mean the Bible, the work that was originally passed down by the word of mouth 2000 years ago that is lucky if even 1% of the entire content is non-fiction.

YES I DO....and Logic, you have seen What Dreams May Come to many times ;).

Though you may have some truth behind that, I seriously believe that more than 1% is non-fiction. See, I don't want to discriminate against your opinion. Your opinion counts. And if that is what you believe, then so be it. I feel that most christians put pressure on others to believe what they believe in. I just find that appauling. First of all, christians are supposed to express their feelings, not try to make others believe. Kind of like the whole Spanish Inquisition. (Anyone remember reading about that.) Even if they don't believe what we believe, at least maybe they pray to a god, which could actually be the same god, just a different interpretation. Who says that god is a white or black man that only christians can pray to. Maybe God is the same god that Buddhists pray to, Hindu's pray to, and Christians pray to.

I have this bad feeling that the Hare Krishnas are right and all non Krishnas will spend eternity damned to wander in a huge burning airport in those silly robes asking people for money.......

StonedVegeta I agree with you on the same God thing a little...I have thought about that many a time...but I don't think it is right for me as a christian to watch someone go to hell...maybe I could help...

but what does that mean? isnt there punishments for almost every single religion out there in this crazy o world if you dont follow it? what makes it more right for someone to believe in Christianity then any other religion?

Think about it, other religions (not all, but some) premote death of their enemies.

jamesdain i may be ignorant or something but i havent hurd of any religions that condone murder. and what about the religions that dont murder their enemies. What makes christianity more right than those?

Most christian religions condone murder....

God forgives all...

tacoX is right, many God-fearing religions have at least condoned murder in the past. For Christianity (and I don't mean to pick on it or anything) remember the Crusades or even Joan of Arc? She was killed partially because she believed in a different sect of Christianity.

And the Koran itself says that Muslims are allowed to kill to defend their faith. The problem is that many people manipulate that.

The Bible says that if an enemy steals your jacket, give him your shirt. It shows that we dont believe in vengance. On the other hand, why do you think Osama bin Laden is attacking the US? Becuase of religion.

based on religion, maybe, though its not the main reason. but lets not get into that.