Well, of course, if you want a hosted forum for your guild, all you have to do is ask. At this point it seems like a fight to get everyone together on one server is pointless, so if you want to remake the guild with Zelaron in the name, we can call it an official guild and put it in the WoW catagory.

No we have 20 :). It will be more soon

With that many leaders it won't last long.

Sorry but I dont think we are going to rename our guild just to get a board in the WoW section. What happened to freedom of expression? Grav will probably make us all wear jewish stars in our avatar or something. But in any case it was just an idea to goet some more members on the board. Volls has a domain name from his last guild and we will probably just end up using that if we have to. Thanks for the offer though.

I fail to make that correlation but anyways Volls is the ilKhan and the other four are just Khans. We seem to be doing fine so far.

Now you're just being faggish, you're only whining and bitching because you fucked up, but the more dependable members stuck around; so now you feel like the chump change that you are. Don't blame me.

Normally, I'd agree with that, but all of those people are pretty cool. As long as they get along it shouldn't fall apart, but I think it's bound to evetually. There will be a disagreement eventually. Always is.

Please, i ask you only one thing... stop posting bullshit.

That's some good self advice. Take it to heart.

U R TEH SUCK!

EviL BiAtCH

What the fuck are you talking about? What he is stating that it is a lot of trouble for us to bother ourselves with to rename our guild with Zelaron in it when I have a site that can be overhauled and used. No big deal.

Also, his statement about your likely wanting us to wear jewish stars in our avatar isn't too far off, with your tendency to jump down peoples' throats for not doing things your way (as your post demonstrates).

You just jumped all over him for no reason, showing everyone a good reason why they shouldn't return to Illidan. I would suggest you go feeling like chump change, but you won't, since you're obviously superior to all other life forms.

I'm sure they'll be in a hurry to return to Illidan. Good job.

Let's all blame grav, and let kagom recover for a while...

I totally agree with voll, grav is like posting total non-sense...
he used to reach a certain level... he even made me laugh in the past

Oh, so two nazi references in no way means that he was directing ANY hostile shit at me. Uh huh.

Who feels superior, "ilKhan?"

Why would he go making those references without a precedent for it? Yeah, you do it constantly.

It's a good question, since it's not as if I've been deleting threads you people post in. Get a grip.

How did he fuck up, because he left your sorry ass clan? We have more members than you guys because we aren't dicks to others. As for the too many leaders, we have volls as the main, and the rest of us help. Sorry we don't have the dictatorship that you are used too.

More random nonsense.

Dictatorship. What am I going to do, force them to give me their money? You're talking out of your ass, as usual. People in our guild aren't dicks to each other, we get along just fine, so well that sometimes people from Illidan just spontaneously come into TS for a coordinated effort. I'd say that's some real proof of "being dicks."

We must be real fucked up, having three Admins (one former) in the guild. I'd say you guys are more the "sorry asses" because you're a clustered group of whiners. Woo ha, you've definately got the edge on us there. And that's an advantage you're free to keep.

Ok, I have absolutely no place in this whatsoever, but I'm going to throw in my two cents anyway.

First of all, I feel that it is a little unfair to Grav that there is another Zelaron guild, as he did win the vote pretty fairly, in my opinion. I don't post much in the WoW forums, but I'll linger there occasionally, and I can find absolutely no basis as to why anyone would make nazi references to Grav. I don't see him doing anything unfair, unless of course, he does so while playing WoW, but as far as I know Grav, I doubt it. I agree he can be an ass sometimes to new members of the forums, but as far as his spot as leader of the clan, he's pretty serious about that. In my opinion, this second guild shouldn't exist, otherwise you guys are just undermining the whole idea of a majority vote.

That said, clearly two distinct guilds exist. Learn to coexist. Seriously. Grav, Volls, and everyone else, this bickering needs to stop quickly. Now I'm not trying to jump at either of you two's throats, because I quite honestly like both of you guys, but this whole ordeal between you too is getting out of hand. Talk on aim, or WoW forum, or wherever, but leave it out of the rest of Zelaron. You guys need to come to some mutual agreement and leave it at that. My opinion would be to just make one clan, because it seems kind of pointless to have two, but you guys come up with the specifics of your agreement. Just leave it out of here.

I agree with MJ that Grav can be a good leader, I played with him in beta and a bit of retail but that's beside the point for my case. My problem was the Illidan server itself. with ~2 hour queues, and crashes every 5-10 minutes, I was not going to stay on that server, I was picking through threads and saw Zeal was starting on another server and figured two is better than one, right? Well shit escalated from there and we managed to pull in enough members to start a guild of our own. From there it grew as we started meeting new people.

Now, as far as the two guilds undermining a majority vote, it gets a bit shifty. In my eyes we have a better chance of drawing members to the forum if we're on two seperate servers, and also gives newcomers more of a choice as to who they want to play with (should we manage to get a forum here which I seriously doubt since WW is in the other guild.) We're currently not a "zelaron" guild by name, we're just a few members that happen to be playing together, and in a guild together.

WW already said he will give you a forum.

All the points about Illidan are null and void, like we said they would be.

Now it's too late.

Oh, I got a mount. Wootabega.

Yeah, IF we change our name to contain Zelaron.

Haven't tried the server yet, I likely still crash on it, regardless...how long did it take them to get rid of the queue? 2 weeks? Yeah, that's how I wanted to spend two weeks of my time....sitting in a line to play a game!

Little less than a week.

All that I did was explain how the wait times on Illidian are horrible and suggested moving to another server. Instead of being a responsible guild member and talking to me about it he launches a barrage of immature insaults with no backup whatsoever.
All this from one page of one thread and all outside of the flame forum.
And I never "fucked up". I'm more than happy on this server with these people. The only reason I fucking bothered to start talking about this was to get some new members on the board, and you turn it into a god damn flame war. Stop trying to make a fight out of everything...

First off, let's set some things straight. My responses are formed from a possibly biased opinion on Grav based on his actions of insulting me during the election, saying I would be a poor leader based on a few comments I made, and then turning around to insult other people for more trivial things than I even complained about in the election.

Anyway, I don't care about that anymore, it just lessened my view of Grav. I tire of his duplicity and his eagerness to turn anything into a fight.

Now, as for our undermining Grav's authority, I fail to truly see how that has happened. First off, I was one of the LAST zelaron members to join the fledgling group, hell, I wasn't even on Illidan or Burning Legion. From what I understand, is that the former members got tired of the queues and whatnot on Illidan during the first week, and moved servers. Zeal switched, and Grav jumped all over him, when Grav was testing other servers and none of the others had any queues or whatever. Now, if it were me, and they fixed Illidan, I would certainly have rejoined the Guild, where I had more friends to help out, but if Grav had jumped on me for playing on a different server the same way (which may not have been permanent), I would've stayed on Burning Legion as well. In essence, Grav was at least partially at fault for the Guild splitting.

Now, as far as the whole thing abut the 'fair vote', that appears to be a jab at me, since I was Grav's principal opponent for the election. Like I said, I was one of the last members to join (Slim was level 15 helping me start my noob quests, for God's sake). I merely moved there from Ner'zhul (mainly because I couldn't get on Illidan either). So, I was planning on joining the Zelaron guild anyway, but couldn't get on Illidan. So I started on Ner'zhul with my friend. Then I was informed that the majority of the Zelaron guild had moved to Burning Legion, so I moved where I had more friends.

So, yes. I obviously went onto Burning Legion, started up a guild, and stole all of Grav's members to intentionally undermine his authority so I could feel like I won the election. [/sarcasm]

Okay, well, that's something I didn't know. If all of what they're saying is true, Grav.....

Volls, my point in that post wasn't to take a jab at anyone, honestly. Like I said before, you guys are both two of my favorite members here. Ay, Volls, remember, you're one of the chosen ones, so I'd never take a jab at you. ;)

I doubt it's any of you guys intentions, but if you want to flame someone, flame away, just do it in the proper forum. Otherwise, the main point of my post above was, please keep this little disagreement between you guys (all of you guys, this isn't just Grav and Volls) off of the forums.

Ah, how could I forget?!

Actually, no, I said you could have a hosted forum regardless. I only said you would need to change the name for official sponsorship and to have it within the WoW forum. Zelaron has always been open to hosted forums. Just have one of the leaders PM me with the forum structure and whether they want a private usergroup and forums, etc.

Correction, YOU split up zelaron's only hope which was the WoW guild. Not that I care, zelaron will be dead soon due to a non-existent influx of d2 players. When that happens, your egotistic little crowd of grav dick suckers that you call a guild will shrivel up and die with the forum itself. Oh btw, did I mention my glee as to see the flame forum has eroded away? Well if I have already not, then here it is: MWHAHAHAHHAHA RAZ YOUR FORUM IS DEAD IMO ZELARON IS DYING BITE ME!!!!

The fuck are you blabbering about? The non-D2 forums have been kickin' it with their bad selves without any morons infesting it with there, "omg pk pk GIMME ITAM!!! lol" shit.

When D2's popularity runs out, this forum will become better.

Maybe the flame forum is becoming increasingly inactive because morons like you are straying away from Zelaron recently. We really can't make fun of you if you aren't going to fight back :( (well, I guess we could but it's more fun like that).

The D2 Forums were the busiest forums for quite some time, but that doesn't mean Zelaron will die, exactly. It just means that more people will have to find their way here by other means.

I've flamed my share of shit, other people need to start posting in the Flame Forum.

Shinto tried to make a flame war with me but it got thrown back in his face by multiple people. Atleast it's a start!

Wow you are all morons...

Yes, yes we are and you are our SUPREME RULER!

MORPHISIZE INTO

Hogwash.

You are clearly mistaken!

Wow, all I've gathered from this shitty thread is that the WoW gulds are split. That certainly helps out Zelaron..[/sarcasm]

That was the running argument a while back. Now, this thread was resurrected for some other reason...

Grav's superiority complex that doesn't enable him to not get the last word?

Blah blah blah.

I was thinking Zagggon's tendency to dig up threads after not visiting forever, but that is also true.

Blah blah blah.