so now his sword is a gun?
wow i never knew swords were meteor shooting weapons

Thx for proving my point that you do not actualy read post. You just check a few word and do your post.

yes i was trying to explain in an easier to understand manner.. but its no longer important
easily from your post the gist is understandable

I know what ehrgeiz is.
What would make me change my mind in that ?

Did you actualy check ALL the other guide ? Is that why you posted this one ? Cause in almost all the other one in gamefaqs its actualy puted under Sword Techniques or Special Move. While in this one it's actualy in a nowhere just telling how to do it.

Edit:

I guess you just edited your whole post. Anyway read the rule then come back posting.

and so what if its a sword technique?
whats he hitting with? what is he actually doing?
hes sending a barrage of meteors to damage the opponent
he is not physically "melee" fighting with the sword
and hes not picking up meteors from the ground and flailing them
they are not "naturally" called upon

Sword Technique heard of them ? This come back to same thing i said earlier... When Squall does his limit with the light that extend from his sword. He hit with the light and not the blade.
OMG ITS A SPELL!!
Sabin does Blitz !
OMG ITS A SPELL!!
Ken in Street Fighter does hadouken !
OMG ITS A SPELL!!

hm.. ok i see the distinction now somewhat
im still having trouble seeing meteorain as comparable to hadouken especially since meteorain roots from ff7 an rpg game and thus seems to have more "magical" connotations

Doesnt make sense that they would be spell ?
Well there you go.
Technique.

spells take time (usually) and magic energy to cast.. techniques dont.. right?

Thats not true. some technique could be long while some other short.
Same goes with spells.

*******
Cyan FF6.
Sabin FF6.
Zell FF8.
They have some short and long technique.
*******

ok see this is what im confused by then.. doesnt meteorain drain mp in fft? (raziel mentioned this)

ok forget this spell vs technique garbage its cluttering up the thread and i can figure it out on my own time..
besides tanks arent really used for inflicting damage and have nothing really to do with spells vs technique so its really all moot
im out of ideas for discussion.. everything i can think of ive listed there:
http://www.zelaron.com/forums/showth...r=3#post357787


so heres my other questions i wanted to approach

No mp. :)
They charge up.

There is character that have technique requiring mp.
Like Steiner and Freiya in ff9 for example.

Edit:

Yeah, i would have to agree with that. It look like it's seem more like a storage area for items

Think of a pure melee Assassin in Diablo2. Fist of Fire, Blade of Ice, Claw of Thunder, Phoenix Strike etc. Or Vengeance for Paladin. Using Magical elements to enchant their melee weapons and attacks don't make them a caster.

Then you are saying that all the parts and upgrades shouldn't be allowed as well? Because they are interchangeable between armors just like tanks.

im not sure right now..
these rules feel like a whole lot of grey lines..
my head hurts just from the whole technique thing
ill get back to you after i start seeing straight

I don't really see the different between tanks and upgrades/parts in the later Megaman X series... X5, X6, to be more specific. You get the Tanks/Parts by rescuing hostages...

Also, all of those Hearts Tanks are called Tanks as well, and they permenantly increase the Max. Life/Energy which X has. I can see that as, the tanks being installed into X, if not in the armor.

This is getting too long, someone decide a winner and let's move on.

Yeah, we're almost to the end. And since only one of my favorite characters is left, we need a new tournament.

Courtesy of the rules.

Also, sub-tanks are one of X's main features. He has access to them, and he can and will use them in battles if he so chooses unless a judge states otherwise. There is no reason to continue this argument.

Yes, you could. You have to equip the Chemist's Equip Change Skill, though. And Raziel was just citing this as an example, not as an added bonus for the spike-ass kid from Midgar.

That comment/issue has already been resolved as a misconception of technique vs spell and has already been treated as discounted. There is a large section of comments that discussed that issue and probably should have been split.

Unless you are a judge and speak for the leaders of the zelaron melee, I really do not see where you come off claiming end of discussion or that "there is no reason to continue this argument."
If as mentioned prior, items are not allowed, and the tanks are arguably items, why is this not open to discussion?
Furthermore, if there is possibly an imbalance (specifically here for X), why shouldn't it be discussed? If there is reasoning for ff characters such as Cloud to be crippled in order for balancing, why then is it not open to discussion to attempt to apply rules to X?

In any case, that argument was really laid to rest before you mentioned it, and probably does not and should not matter any longer. If you had not made your comment, I seriously doubt it would have taken any bearing or have had any more related comments. I had even made my last comment (of a non serious nature) and the one before that, both implying that I really was not going to argue that point any longer.
And this thread has pretty much been declared "done," especially when K_A commented that this thread is getting too long.

Anyways, I will just be waiting for the results to come out and will not be participating any longer. Theres already a new tournament: Dante vs Samus. It has been ~4 days with no participation.

First off, step down from your high and mighty chair, peon.

The argument was most certainly not over as you claimed.

If this is your, "I'm done arguing" post, then I say you have trouble expressing yourself.
As for where I come off, the fact had been argued. There was no new material on it, and things had been said and re-said. I said there was no reason to discuss it any further because there was no new information therefore, unless sub tanks were disallowed by judges (which, for the record, they have not been disallowed) then they are valid in a battle.

Besides, threads have been stated as being too long numerous times, and that has yet to close any of them.

One more thing! (Jackie Chan Adventures pwn) The reason Final Fantasy characters have been "crippled" is that they are not concentrated characters. They have few distinctions besides their appearance. Final Fantasy X is the best example. If a player takes the time to maximize the potential of the characters, they can all do exactly the same thing. There wouldn't even be a reason to have more than one of them in a tournament as you could just put "Generic FFX Character." This has been stated, explained, and explained again. However, since you posed the question of why X isn't crippled, here is the answer. HE IS X. HE DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITIES, POWERS, AND SPELLS OF EVERY 10 OTHER CHARCTERS.

"high and mighty chair"? am i the one declaring what can and cannot be discussed? who are you that i should "bow down" to as a "peon" and hold all your declarations as true?
i hardly see an inquiry against the validity of your right to tell people what arguments should not be continued as using a "high and mighty chair".. especially when your comment left no room for discussion nor opposing opinions

then maybe i do have trouble expressing myself. because i probably would have made response to the comment Senesia made and i probably would not have used such a relaxed and unserious tone that argued nothing. maybe im expecting too much for that to be seen. i had felt the additional prior comment declaring i really had no more ideas as final.

and if you honestly believed that the argument really would have taken any more bearing then i sincerely apologize
in any case i do not believe you had the right to dictate something that i felt to be much of an "iron fist"
you did not say "probably" or "really" or "no need to".. but rather used a tone of "there _IS NO_ reason".. and that is something that i personally have trouble tolerating

I'm closing this. I know Raziel didn't plan on having this open this long. He took our decisions back when there were only like 10 posts in here, but we thought it would serve better to open a new battle and let this go for a little longer.

Start getting active on the other Semi-Final Battle, and the winner will be announed soon enough.

For the love of God, a winner has been decided!!! Please make a quick stop at the Bracket Thread for the details!!