I definitely don't disagree, just saying that the entire government is to blame. It's the same as the FCC deciding they have the right to rule over the internet.

Driving while texting is more dangerous than if you have THC in your system. Maybe the penalty for that should be higher.

Having driven drunk and driven stoned on multiple occasions, I can say with certainty that driving drunk is more difficult and more dangerous. On top of that, I'm pretty sure the mythbusters showed that talking on a cell phone while driving is as bad or worse than drunk driving. Which should be obvious to anyone on the road.

Anyway, everything is relative, and that is why writing laws is not necessarily easy. I would tend to say they should enforce after the fact, but most people will disagree with this because people may die in the process. Who is to say when I become too impaired to drive? BAC tests are unreliable because intoxication relative to BAC varies a lot from one person to another. Some seasoned alcoholics can be at 0.20 BAC and seem sober, while some teenage girl might seem shit-faced at 0.08 BAC. Some people might be able to drive and talk on their phone at the same time without killing people. Some people might be able to smoke a joint and still drive fine. I could possibly even take this further and say that some people might be able to speed and not injure others. When should speeding, drunk driving, cell-phone-talking, etc. be considered crimes? I would say they should be considered crimes once it can be shown that the person in question harmed another person by doing one of the above.

WTF am I talking about?

You're like that bing commercial where somebody says one thing and then they ramble on about compltely something unrelated.

Well, to be honest though your proof is fairly anecdotal, I do agree with you to a point. In my personal experience I've found the opposite to be the case. Give me a little sticky and there's no way in hell I can drive as well as after a few beers. It all depends on the individual person though, as you mentioned with alcohol.

I can't say I agree with your idea to completely eliminate preemptive punishments though. It would be, in essence, the same as eliminating punishment for conspiracy to commit murder. Sure, no one was actually hurt, but intent was there. That's where laws can get tricky. Surely nobody who goes out driving high or drunk INTENDS to hurt anyone, but it can happen much easier while inebriated in some fashion. I know it's a much different case with my example, but in principle its not that much different. Someone is punished before they are able to harm or kill someone.

I do believe people should refrain from using cellphones while driving, though. I can't count the number of times I've nearly been clipped, rear ended, side-swiped, etc. by some dimwit blathering on their cell about how "Ray and Shaniqua are TOTALLY getting it on, There's no way you can't tell me they aren't, SHUT UP! NO YOU SHUT UP!"

At the end of the day, the laws in place today are a mixture of those to punish those who would harm others as well as protect people from being harmed preemptively.


As far as the FCC comment goes, I'm inclined to agree so far as the censorship and "decency" bullshit they rail into everyone with the "WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN" ideology. As far as the "rule the internet" thing, I'm pretty sure that's the RIAA, not the FCC.

Well I can drive while texting better than I can high or drunk, should there be special penalties for peolpe that are better at it? Lulz

Texting while driving isn't dangerous.. IMO, well.. I suppose it is, but it all depends on how you do it. I garuntee 90% of the idiots who get in an accident while texting are writing a fucking paragraph before looking back up at the road. Its very simple to text 2-3 letters, or 1 word then glance back up, and then finish the text. Shit, half of people who text can do it without looking anyway, so really you are referencing your texts, while focusing on the road. 2ez

No, and you can go away now. I'm starting to see why this place is going to shit. If a serious conversation pops up with a general opinion other than "OMFG STUPID GUBBMENT WONT LET ME DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT LETS GO ANARCHY LULZ" then you've got someone shitting all over it with stupid as posts like this, or Skurai going ladyboy all over it.

hey i pride myself that im against the govt ....

I'm not an anarchist, anti-government or anything. I'm actually pro-government, enough so that I think our government should be socialist. Not outlawing everything to turn a buck for the private sectors filled with corrupt judges/police/jailing systems/dea agents etc.

Passive aggressive burn

You do realize none of that is private sector, right?

Spector? Oh, sector.

Haha I caught that

Wow you are both really sharp. This thread should now be about how brilliant and clever Spector and Grav are.

Haha you're right

Spector and Grav

Kings of 2010

More like queens, amirite?

I fully support this.



And this more.

Well it's a good thing that one of the only semi-serious discussion threads on Zelaron has been shat all over by you two clowns. Good job.

Yeah, very good thing.

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