I'd rather have 10 Billion spent in a 30 year science project, compared to a pointless war that has cost anywhere from 3-4 trillion dollars.

I agree.

Well, here's a Rap Video about the LHC. LOL



Kinda funny, actually. Very informative if you listen to it, LOL.

Dr. Otto E. Rössler. Refer to my earlier post: http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread....798#post640798

Interesting.

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Indian girl commits suicide over 'Big Bang' fear
In India, fears about the experiment spread rapidly through the media
updated 12:03 p.m. ET Sept. 10, 2008


BHOPAL, India - A teenage girl in central India killed herself on Wednesday after being traumatized by media reports that a "Big Bang" experiment in Europe could bring about the end of the world, her father said.

The 16-year old girl from the state of Madhya Pradesh drank pesticide and was rushed to the hospital but later died, police said.

Her father, identified on local television as Biharilal, said that his daughter, Chayya, killed herself after watching doomsday predictions made on Indian news programs.

"In the past two days, Chayya had asked me and other relatives about the world coming to an end on September 10," Biharilal was quoted as saying.

"We tried to divert her attention and told her she should not worry about such things, but to no avail," he said.

For the past two days, many Indian news channels held discussions airing doomsday predictions over a huge particle-smashing machine buried under the Swiss-French border.

The machine, called the Large Hadron Collider, was switched on on Wednesday, at the start of what experts say is the largest scientific experiment in human history.

The machine smashes particles together to achieve, on a small-scale, re-enactments of the "Big Bang" that created the universe.

Leading scientists and researchers at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, said the experiment was safe. They dismissed as "pure fiction" doomsday predictions that the experiment could create anti-matter, or black holes.

But in deeply religious and superstitious India, fears about the experiment and the minor risks associated with it spread rapidly through the media.

In east India, thousands of people rushed to temples to pray and fast while others savored their favorite foods in anticipation of the world's end.

"There were a thousand more devotees yesterday as well as today compared to (any) other normal day," Benudhara Sahu, a temple official in Orissa state, told Reuters.

Many women and children rushed to temples and observed fasts as they prayed for deliverance, officials and witnesses said.

Assurances by scientists and the media that nothing would happen counted for nothing for housewife Rukmini Moharana.

"I visited temple, prayed to god," Moharana said. "I am observing the fast for safety because god can only save us."

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Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652

Isn't this experiment suppose to actually disprove "god". Kind of ironic. Killing yourself over the LHC is absurd, but I guess in places where religion is supreme you could easily assume that we are all going to die.

The end of the world has been postponed until Mars or April 2009. Too bad.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7632408.stm

Lol, there goes the entire theory that this will cause the armeggon(sp) to arrive around December of 09.

Man, I'd be nervous if I lived close to that thing. I have a feeling this is going to be continually postponed for a long time.

I guess this means that Obama will win the election?...

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...ts-own-record/

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wi...01-660x441.jpg

'Next up for the massive experiment is to collide those beams together to create a spectacular tiny explosion that could confirm or challenge decades of theoretical predictions. By sorting through the wreckage, physicists may find particular subatomic particles that will only exist under certain theoretical scenarios. For example, the detection of certain types of supersymmetric particles, aka sparticles, could be seen as what physicist Michio Kaku calls, “signals from the 11th dimension.'

So what would you guys do if a Black Hole DID appear? I mean, would you......?
I'd probably just go bonkers. I'd also ride a bike.

Black holes are paradoxes to parallel universes.

i'd start throwing shit through the black hole if that were real, :)

What?

No, Black Holes are where people like Kagom put it in.
Quasars, on the other hand, have been around before they (the quasars) were around. Seriously. I watched a documentary, and that's what they said, in a nutshell. "Quasars existed before they could exist."

Are you sure this was about quasars? I would be very interested in the name of this documentary.

It was about quasars and nebulas and just space overall.
I think it was called "The Universe" or something, I saw it a while back in a science class... why do I always forget the important part. :(

Date/Event

10 Sep 2008 CERN successfully fired the first protons around the entire tunnel circuit in stages.

19 Sep 2008 Magnetic quench occurred in about 100 bending magnets in sectors 3 and 4, causing a loss of approximately 6 tonnes of liquid helium.

30 Sep 2008 First "modest" high-energy collisions planned but postponed due to accident.

16 Oct 2008 CERN released a preliminary analysis of the incident.

21 Oct 2008 Official inauguration.

5 Dec 2008 CERN released detailed analysis.

20 Nov 2009 Low-energy beams circulated in the tunnel for the first time since the incident.

23 Nov 2009 First particle collisions in all four detectors at 450 GeV.

30 Nov 2009 LHC becomes the world's highest-energy particle accelerator achieving 1.18 TeV per beam, beating the Tevatron's previous record of 0.98 TeV per beam held for eight years.

28 Feb 2010 The LHC continues operations ramping energies to run at 3.5 TeV for 18 months to two years, after which it will be shut down to prepare for the 14 TeV collisions (7 TeV per beam).

30 Mar 2010 The two beams collided at 7 TeV in the LHC at 13:06 CEST, marking the start of the LHC research programme.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/46186/

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/mamb...8.81594947.jpg

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/...100461827.html

Good work nerds.

Woot.

Now the blackhole creation begins.

We really need to move the LHC and future projects way out into space such that we don't inadvertently destroy our race.

And don't just put them on the moon, either. We're just as fucked if you split the moon in two as if you split the earth in two. Orbit it arround Venus or something.
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How do they know that other solar systems or other galaxies aren't antimatter? From what I understand, anti-matter shouldn't behave in anyway different that we can observe from such distances...though I suppose electromagnetics might be reversed; still not sure how you'd observe that without setting it up, though...

Dumbasses should just catch a Giratina and read it's pokedex entry...

What relevance does this even have to us as a species, anyway?

Matter-antimatter annihilation releases a lot of energy, which we might be able to use if we can figure out a way to efficiently acquire antimatter. Plus it is cool.

Yes, since this type of experiment was so easily accomplished on Earth, then moving it to space should be no problem :rolleyes:

It's not a matter of technology, it's a matter of $$.

Isn't that all is ever has truely been?
I can't wait for time travel. Then we just go back in time, bring out tech with us, show them how to use/make it, then go to the future to discover --- lol, time travel is outdated. It's an infinate loop of us getting infinately smarter, until we're the one in UF--oh shit! I've got something, here!

Yeah, the ancient Egyptians wanted to build a LHC but they couldn't ever come up with enough money.

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My point is that they essentially could build one out in the middle of space, but it'd be an astronomical feat to pull off, which would cost alotta dough.

The only reason it costs so much is because the technology isn't cheap, so technically it's a matter of both technology and money. They are interrelated.

Here's the bottom line. That particle accelerator likely costs on the order of a trillion dollars. Look it up online and call me wrong, but this is an order of magnitude estimate. Putting that into space would theoretically cost more than the money that is in the world, when you factor in the mass-cost of putting anything into orbit. Again, this is something you can look up, but roughly the cost of putting anything into orbit is a function of its mass (aka the fuel required), and it is expensive as hell. This particle accelerator is one massive piece of equipment, and a ballpark estimate could easily be found by simply considering its size and assuming a uniform mass density. As if that was not a problem enough, if I'm not mistaken it operates by providing a massive amount of power to electromagnets. When this is in orbit, where will this kind of power come from?

When talking about feasibility of putting this into space, then you're looking at somewhere on the science fiction time scale when the human race has large naval space-faring vessels. If this ever happens, and shipyards are in orbit and have material carried to them on either a space elevator, or something much, much, much more efficient than current methods, then yes this could be built in space. Save science fiction though, this will not be in space in the next 100 - 200 years, and that's making the assumption that science lags science fiction on the subject of space travel much as it has for other similar subjects.

By that time enough tests will have been conducted using this thing to know whether or not - by trial and error alone - it can destroy the human race.

You could build it on the moon and launch it from there more easily. If it's in orbit around Venus, noone would care if it was powered by a big nuclear reactor (it's probably powered by nuclear reactors now, actually...).

It's certainly within our means to do it, there's just not enough of a reason to, to the people that matter. Necessity breeds ingenuity. If we as a race wanted to do it bad enough, it wouldn't take long at all.

The main things that hold us back are bureaucracy and self-interest.

this is the answer, imo.

Maybe, if we're real lucky, people will want to do it!