[11:44] devin01rt: I'd just like to mention the reason for my banning has been nullified.. in case you weren't aware.
[11:44] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Ok
[11:44] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Tell Chruser, not me
[11:44] devin01rt: Why are you scared of me coming back?
[11:45] devin01rt: No, because you are the one behind the manipulation of the rest of the staff, as well as the members. You do in fact wish I never come back, i'm curious as to why.
[11:46] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I've already explained to you why I don't think you should be unbanned. That's irrelevant anyway, because I'm not the one who makes the call. I'm voicing my opinion against it, but I'm not stopping it by any means.
[11:46] devin01rt: Well, that's debateable.
[11:46] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I don't know what you mean about me manipulating the staff or the members, but it sounds like you've got a few screws loose.
[11:46] devin01rt: The forums are practically dead, you are just going to cause more demise how you are acting in this manner.
[11:47] devin01rt: Nah, just bored, the "hurricane/tropical storm" has left me at home from work.
[11:47] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Maybe you didn't notice but I'm not the only one saying you shouldn't be unbanned.
[11:47] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Why is it that you continually target me?
[11:48] devin01rt: I am not continually targeting you, I am just gathering information as to why you are continually presenting your "point" against me. Like I said originally, why are you scared of me ever coming back?
[11:48] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: What gives you the impression that I'm "scared" of you coming back?
[11:48] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I'm not going to run for my life if you get unbanned
[11:49] devin01rt: If you weren't, you wouldn't care. Obviously the forums are in remission, recession they are dying off and you don't want somebody that could probably help things out.
[11:49] devin01rt: You may not, but you are going to do everything you can to stop it from happening.
[11:49] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: That's because I'm against it.
[11:49] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Just because I'm against you being unbanned doesn't mean I'm scared of you being unbanned.
[11:49] devin01rt: The reasoning is false pretense
[11:49] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: As a matter of fact, I think that if you're not going to be a troll, you being unbanned would be a great thing for the forums.
[11:50] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I just don't have faith that that's what will happen.
[11:50] devin01rt: Your reasoning has changed a few times.
[11:50] devin01rt: Well, you can say that on AIM but it doesn't appear that way on the boards. It just comes off as manipulating.
[11:52] devin01rt: Like I said though, I'd just like to point out the original point of the ban has been nullified, and in all seriousness if a law becomes irrelevant for a person commiting a crime, shouldn't they be let off of the hook?.. I don't see MJ or Grav anywhere, and regardless I didn't cause either of them to leave, they were both already on their way out. And Grav had personal information against MJ (his college transcripts) which I had discussed with MJ, after finding this out I went on my own and claimed to have Grav's information and threatened that if he ever said anything about MJ's stuff then I was going to release these public records to everyone on the boards.
[11:53] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: No, you told Grav that you had all of his information and that if he didn't release it himself, you would.
[11:53] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Want me to find where you said that?
[11:53] devin01rt: LOL! Yes I would love to see that.
[11:53] devin01rt: because that was NEVER said.
[11:55] devin01rt: I mean if it even exists, because I really never recall saying anything near that. I had only claimed to have his information to a few people, and it was only in reiteration to the bullshit he pulled with MJ, I was trying to help MJ if anything.
[11:56] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You might have to wait until I'm at home for me to show you, but I'm not done looking
[11:56] devin01rt: That's fine, but I don't think it will surface anywhere because that was never said.
[11:56] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I remember talking with Grav about it, but my logs of those conversations are at home.
[11:56] devin01rt: Well, Grav can say one thing when another is the truth.
[11:56] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Either way, you cause Grav to leave, and you caused MJordan to get into IRL trouble
[11:56] devin01rt: That's not even true... either.
[11:56] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Those things haven't changed, as far as I know.
[11:57] devin01rt: Grav was already on his way out, he was already upset with how things were on here, and like he had mentioned in the past he was going to be slammed with school, and the same with MJ.
[11:57] devin01rt: And how can I, by joking about his name change get him in "trouble IRL"..
[11:57] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You constantly pointed out the fact that Desmethones=MJordan
[11:57] devin01rt: I don't see the big deal in that.
[11:58] devin01rt: How exactly did he get in "trouble"
[11:58] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: His name was changed because someone had discovered Zelaron and found that he was MJordan
[11:58] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: He changed his name so he could continue to post there without them knowing what he was posting
[11:58] devin01rt: Heh.. ah well this is the first i've heard it.
[11:58] devin01rt: Even regardless, I don't see how he could be reprimanded from anything on these boards.
[11:59] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: He claims pretty outlandish beliefs, compared to his IRL associates
[11:59] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Such as him being an atheist, believing in evolution, etc.
[12:00] devin01rt: Ah. Well, still. If I would have known that seriously there was a reasoning with some seriousness behind it then I would have never done that I actually really liked talking with MJ and enjoyed his postings, and debating.
[12:00] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Regardless of whether or not you can see how he could get in IRL trouble for anything on the boards, the fact of the matter is that he DID
[12:00] devin01rt: Why didn't he just create a new name?..
[12:00] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: D3v, you knew why his name was changed, and that's exactly why you called attention to it
[12:01] devin01rt: If I had known he was going to get his balls busted by 'associates' then I would not have done it, I figured it was a crazy girlfriend or something not serious.
[12:01] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: By "associates" I meant people he associates with
[12:01] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I believe it was his girlfriend, but I can't remember.
[12:01] devin01rt: Ah.
[12:02] devin01rt: Well, even regardless. He shouldn't be hypocritical in reality, that is a tough lesson for him to learn.
[12:02] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: It's not your call, though
[12:02] devin01rt: But not for me to judge, obviously if I could go back and redo things I wouldn't.
[12:02] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You have no right to force him to reveal how he feels to his IRL associates
[12:02] devin01rt: er, I wouldn't do them the same again*
[12:03] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN:
http://www.zelaron.com/forum/showthr...ht=desmethones
[12:03] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: "Thread title changed. Please try not to mention who Desmethones is (or used to be.) His name was changed for a reason."
[12:03] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: "Elaborating on that would defeat the purpose of his name change.
We'll just say that, Desmethones previous identity was known to someone from the real world that he knows that could potentially lead to issues. That's probably more than I should say."
[12:03] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: "Desmethones = MJ obviously, it is only going to go over the heads of the complete morons anyways, what's to say somebody goes around and bumps all of the notorious threads including MJ, .. you can't escape."
[12:04] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: That last one is you talking about intentionally calling attention to MJ's name
[12:05] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Shortly before that whole episode, there was a discussion between Chruser, myself, -Spector-, and MJordan, about your fate
[12:05] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: MJordan was the only person defending you, and most likely prevented you from being permanently banned
[12:05] devin01rt: If that was the case, then how come he didn't inform me personally.
[12:06] devin01rt: How come nobody did, how come the annomity was kept from me, if I actually had thought there was a grain of seriousness involved I wouldn't have done what I did.
[12:06] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I can't explain MJordan's actions, all I can do is tell you what happened
[12:06] devin01rt: Hmph.
[12:06] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I stated in the thread I just linked you that people needed to not call attention to MJordan's name because he could potentially get into IRL trouble
[12:07] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: a few posts down, you said "what if someone bumps all of the threads related to MJ?" and essentially showed your intentions to get him in trouble
[12:07] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You directly caused us to lose probably one of our best members
[12:07] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: There's no debating against that. It's FACT.
[12:07] devin01rt: My actions escape me, regardless he got in "trouble with his girlfriend" The sillyness of that entire expression just sounds idiotic.
[12:07] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: It does to you, but not to him.
[12:07] devin01rt: I didn't directly cause a member to be loss, his girlfriend did.
[12:08] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: He lives in Texas, and people in Texas aren't very open-minded, in general.
[12:08] devin01rt: I was fine this whole time, when she came into the picture, that's when the problem arised.
[12:08] devin01rt: Florida is the same way.
[12:08] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: The problem with his girlfriend was solved by changing his name
[12:08] devin01rt: These forums in general caused him to leave.
[12:08] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You undid that
[12:08] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You caused him to be unable to post at Zelaron.
[12:08] devin01rt: No, I did not undo that, his girlfriend ALREADY FOUND OUT about Zelaron.
[12:08] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Why can't you take responsibility for your actions?
[12:09] devin01rt: If she wasn't a complete moron in any regard she could have figured out who he was in a matter of minutes.
[12:09] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: SHE IS A COMPLETE MORON
[12:09] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: WHAT DOES THAT MATTER
[12:09] devin01rt: I do take responsibility for my portion of what happened, but I still don't think I should be blamed completely for MJ leaving.
[12:09] devin01rt: which is why you persuade to everyone as to what happened.
[12:09] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: If you hadn't intentionally gotten him in trouble, he would still be posting at Zelaron.
[12:10] devin01rt: He ... got
[12:10] devin01rt: Himself into trouble, by posting his thoughts and ideas.
[12:10] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: On an internet forum
[12:10] devin01rt: His girlfriend found out because of him, not me.
[12:10] devin01rt: Yes.
[12:10] devin01rt: What i'm saying is that, the forum itself is the problem his girlfriend has with.. there were other people still calling him MJ anyways.
[12:11] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: D3v, this is exactly why I don't want you unbanned. You can't even see how that's your fault. You're immature and you can never accept responsibility for anything. You're never going to change.
[12:11] devin01rt: And if she's that big of a moron why did he get into so much trouble?.. MJ's a very smart young man and should have had no problem getting rid of the Zelaron problem.
[12:11] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You were the only one INTENTIONALLY calling attention to his name to get him in trouble
[12:11] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You even stated your intentions
[12:12] devin01rt: Heh....
[12:12] devin01rt: Like I said, if I knew things were legitimatlly this serious I wouldn't have done what I did, but I still feel the whole situation is skewed a bit from how things actually happened.
[12:12] devin01rt: PiMPiNReDHaTMaN (1:49:44 PM): As a matter of fact, I think that if you're not going to be a troll, you being unbanned would be a great thing for the forums.
[12:12] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: And?
[12:12] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I stand by my statement.
[12:13] devin01rt: I just don't think I should be blamed 100% for how things happened.
[12:13] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: So you think you should only get 90% of a permanent ban?
[12:13] devin01rt: Even if I did create a thread asking why his name was changed, I was curious, even if I did read over and skim past what you had said about him "getting into trouble" I tried to get somebody to atleast fill me in on what was up, and it didn't happen the only thing immature was trying to cover it up and go about business as usual.
[12:14] devin01rt: I don't think I should have any ban, I think that if you can't take shit on an internet board you need to reevaluate your existence on one.
[12:14] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: That specific thread isn't what got MJordan in trouble
[12:14] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I was simply showing that his situation was explained and you showed that you intended to get him in trouble
[12:15] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: What got him in trouble was you constantly calling attention to his name change to make it as obvious as you could that Desmethones=MJordan
[12:15] devin01rt: The thing was I didn't intend to get him into trouble.
[12:15] devin01rt: I did that probably twice, and then created a thread about it.
[12:15] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: "Desmethones = MJ obviously, it is only going to go over the heads of the complete morons anyways, what's to say somebody goes around and bumps all of the notorious threads including MJ, .. you can't escape."
[12:15] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: "Desmethones = MJ obviously, it is only going to go over the heads of the complete morons anyways, what's to say somebody goes around and bumps all of the notorious threads including MJ, .. you can't escape."
[12:15] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: "Desmethones = MJ obviously, it is only going to go over the heads of the complete morons anyways, what's to say somebody goes around and bumps all of the notorious threads including MJ, .. you can't escape."
[12:15] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: "Desmethones = MJ obviously, it is only going to go over the heads of the complete morons anyways, what's to say somebody goes around and bumps all of the notorious threads including MJ, .. you can't escape."
[12:16] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: How can you claim you didn't intend to get him in trouble?
[12:16] devin01rt: ... that was my point. I was saying if we all know who MJ was why would it matter if his name was even changed.
[12:16] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Because his name was changed so that outsiders wouldn't know who he was
[12:17] devin01rt: Like.... I guess it didn't click at the time,
[12:17] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Not so that WE wouldn't know who he was
[12:17] devin01rt: Yeah I must've been under the influence of reading comprehension issues at the time, or something.
[12:18] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: D3v, you stated your intentions to get MJordan in trouble, you followed through with those intentions, and MJordan himself was saying you should be banned after that
[12:18] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You turned him against you
[12:18] devin01rt: I've never heard that from MJ, so I don't believe it.
[12:18] devin01rt: I was just saying that anybody could bump his threads and would still know who was posting them...
[12:19] devin01rt: Well regardless of this, why hasn't he come back since I was gone.
[12:19] devin01rt: since I have been gone.
[12:19] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You'd have to ask him yourself.
[12:19] devin01rt: that was my whole reason for being banned that if I was gone he would stay.
[12:19] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: He didn't leave because he was mad at you, he left because of his IRL problems caused by you
[12:19] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You leaving wouldn't have fixed that
[12:19] devin01rt: Heh.
[12:20] devin01rt: Okay then so why am I banned/
[12:20] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Because you caused us to lose MJordan
[12:20] devin01rt: .........
[12:20] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: On top of numerous other things
[12:20] devin01rt: so because MJ had IRL issues I get banned for talking about them?
[12:20] devin01rt: Are you, SERIOUS?
[12:20] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: He had IRL issues CAUSED BY YOU
[12:20] devin01rt: .. I don't see a specific rule against that.
[12:20] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: [12:19] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: He didn't leave because he was mad at you, he left because of his IRL problems caused by you
[12:21] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: There isn't a specific rule against it
[12:21] devin01rt: They WERENT CAUSED BY ME. If he is a bible thumper in real life, and then comes on these boards and praises the teachings of atheism that ISNT my problem.
[12:21] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: That's why Chruser was the one who decided to have you permanently banned
[12:21] devin01rt: Well Chruser was just doing what he thought would reverse the damage done.
[12:21] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: No he wasn't.
[12:21] devin01rt: and in fact, it has backfired and now 3 good members are all gone.
[12:22] devin01rt: My point though, if MJ is a very religious young lad back in reality, comes on the boards and talks about how God isn't real, and his girlfriend finds out, how is that my problem? Censorship should not be limited to anything.
[12:22] devin01rt: Even if you do have RL issues, he could have just laid low for a couple of weeks and returned with a new name instead of a fiasco being created around it.
[12:22] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: His girlfriend only found out because you called attention to who he was after his name was changed
[12:22] devin01rt: .... she found out who he was BEFORE the name change.
[12:22] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: His name change was preventing her from finding out
[12:23] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: But you called attention to it
[12:23] devin01rt: no..
[12:23] devin01rt: You told me that his name change was made to he could continue posting without her knowing MJ and demonthese were the same person.
[12:23] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Right, when she went to Zelaron looking for posts by "Mjordan", she wouldn't find the stuff about atheism and such
[12:23] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Therefore preventing her from learning about that stuff
[12:23] devin01rt: But she had already stumbled about it, and found out about it.
[12:24] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: She had found out he was MJordan
[12:24] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: That's all
[12:24] devin01rt: and knew MJ was her boyfriend..correct/
[12:24] devin01rt: Ok
[12:24] devin01rt: so the damage was done.
[12:24] devin01rt: NOT my fault.
[12:24] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: No, the damage was not done
[12:24] devin01rt: So she found all of these posts about atheism by MJ and yes the damage wasn't done until he changed his name?..
[12:24] devin01rt: and she knew he was MJ..
[12:24] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: LISTEN TO ME YOU FUCKTARD
[12:25] devin01rt: LOL.. you're being ignorant.
[12:25] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: She saw MJordan posting on Zelaron
[12:25] devin01rt: okay.
[12:25] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: She didn't see the atheism posts and shit
[12:25] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: He changed his name so she never would
[12:25] devin01rt: ... heh ... for all we know he just doesn't give a shit about Zelaron anymore/
[12:25] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: He knew she was checking out Zelaron, and was preventing that from happening
[12:26] devin01rt: the whole situation seems stupid to me. it's either she caught him so he had to change his name, or she caught him didn't know his username, so he had it changed for no reason and the whole thign is just blown out of proportion.
[12:26] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: The fact is, MJordan had to leave Zelaron because of your actions. Nothing else matters. You're just arguing about pointless shit.
[12:27] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: MJordan himself, after originally defending you, said you should be banned
[12:27] devin01rt: He never said that to me, so I'm not going to believe that.
[12:27] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: I don't care if you believe it or not.
[12:27] devin01rt: I didn't think so, your tactics are growing pretty weak.
[12:27] devin01rt: I'm not arguing about pointless shit.
[12:27] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: You are.
[12:28] devin01rt: If the logistics aren't correct to how things happened, then the story is wrong, and I shouldn't be at fault for anything./
[12:29] devin01rt: what i'm saying is, that it's just an unfortunate timeline of events.
[12:29] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: MJordan told Chruser that he had changed his mind and thought you should be banned, and Chruser banned you for the MJordan incedent as well as numerous other things. Whether or not you believe that MJordan wanted you banned is irrelevant. MJordan told Chruser he wanted you banned, and Chruser decided to ban you. Chruser doesn't have to have a reason to ban you, he owns the fucking forums.
[12:29] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: It doesn't matter that there's no rule specifically against getting someone in IRL trouble and making them leave the forums.
[12:30] PiMPiNReDHaTMaN: Chruser can ban you for things that are not in the rules. Chruser can ban you for having a number in your username if he wants.
[12:30] devin01rt: Yep, you have a ponit.
[12:30] devin01rt: Long live communism fuck face.
[12:30] *** "devin01rt" signed off at Thu Aug 21 12:30:46 2008.
