im gonna get on ladder, and do we have to wear any certain tags?

Like I said, I don't really have the basis of the clan layed out yet, but we'll get to that later. That's almost a frivolous matter at this time. My first instinct to that would be no, though, but I'll leave it up to you guys in the end. Like I said, I'm only helping to get this thing set up. You guys are going to control it.

okay... i got on my account... lvl 70 fire sorc.. need help thru hell, msg me on aim, eellis2132

I'm not going to be playing D2. I'm pretty sure that my D2 days are behind me, but you can never be too sure.

well then wtf you mkae this thread for lmao

He wanted to see this happen. He's promoting our identity as a group...

props for that mj

I'll gladly write a PHP script for tournaments or some such.

For money.
(although MJ is a much better programmer)
:D

This will never happen, when WoW comes out this will just collapse due to lack of leader ship, activity, ending transmission.

WoW sucks... from what I hear atleast, I won't even bother downloading it.

Either way, I'm starting this up. MightyJoe hasn't responded yet. If you want to be treasurer either post here and let me know why you'd be a good treasurer, or PM me.

Heh. I wouldn't say that.

Either way, I don't know any PHP at the moment, so when we get this started it would be awesome if you could do that.

I'm busy with a project I'm doing for my favorite teacher... but if I get some free time and I want to, I may.

Otherwise, you'll have to give me lots of money :D

Anyway been at work, but I will im you.

MightyJoe is the official treasurer. I'm hoping we should get this thing going pretty soon.

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33457

Go and vote for it.

Im in :)

1 r 73h sp4mz0r

Sounds like MJ has an idea but the more i think about it, the more it sounds like a communist community. Sounds like you are making this an "elite" circle exempt from the rest of the d2 community. Few problems however; people act in their own self interest, the bases of a market economy. Communism is different, u got a group but in this case u got the Treasurer, dictating wats worth what and the tax, oh boy the tax. What are u going to charge? Theres no medium of exchange in D2 (ie MONEY). Dont get me wrong i would like to help u plan out this idea cuz with some good ideas and thinkin anythin is possible. Aight back to my constructive critism. The treasurer is a good idea, im guessin they just hold valubles for people? Thats good stuff now what happens if the bank is robbed (hacked/fucked over by bnet)? Ill tell u what happens, instead of 1 more poor inicent victim of "life sucks" u got 10-20 victims all at once, yikes! One thing i'll be thinkin more of is the problem of a lack of medium exchange. The best example of a good economic system is a market system, but thats based on a medium of exchange. I dont play d2 anymore but last i heard 32020s are the closest thing to money. The best way to do this but this is just a rough idea and is alot easier to say than to be done, eh actually it really wont work but like in America, we make money and dispose of old bills (banks burn old money did u kno that?) so since u wouldnt have old money u wouldnt really do this. But basically someone dupe 32020s and that person/persons would exchange items for them but wtf am i sayin, this doesnt work at all. nvm sorry if i just wasted a minute of ur life from readin that. Let me think more on this obstactle.

You bring up some pointes, but all in all it sounds like an OK system to me. My plan is to make a circle that is as independent on itself as possible, while not losing out, and in fact gaining momentum on the rest of the D2 world. My hope in starting an economy is so that we can all trade items at a set price without all this bickering that goes on outside the forums in a mostly immature environement. My plan will make trading more effecient, and it will also hopefully be able to set up some cool things like tournaments within the clan. My hope is that everyone's self-interest will be fulfilled through this clan. Anything that doesn't work can be ammended. Anyone who doesn't like the idea, is of course, free to not join.

The treasurer will be the man in charge of what's worth what, but most of the input that the treasurer makes his decisions on will come from the other members of the clan. Fluctuation in prices, in cases of dupes or other occasions should be taken care of by the treasurer.

I'll leave the treasurer in charge of picking a good password for the bank. If the bank gets hacked or whatever, you are of course free to take out your anger on the treasurer however you want. The bank won't hold any of your personal items, only taxes that have been collected, so if it gets hacked then the community as a whole does lose out, but not severely. It can bre reinstated. And taxes will be minimal, say a pul rune. If that's too steep for members, then they can bring that up, and we will change accordingly.

Don't get turned off by the tax. If it's too high, you're welcome to call for a change. You have to remember though, that my plan is to hopefully help out newcomers, people that have gotten hacked, and set up tournaments. Whatever the bank has collected will eventually get back to you.

Thanks for the few issues you brought up. I'm always up for some constructive criticism. If you have ideas on how to improve upon mine, then please let us know.

To make things efficient in economical ways u might want to consider this. Specialization amongst the members. What i mean is if one member or a few members do constant ball runs, or cow runz or pit runz with no mf and find socketables than they shouldnt have to do any countess runs, someone who does countess runs shouldnt have to do baal runz. Someone who does pindle/meph runs shouldnt do baal or countess, u see what im sayin? Specialization! makes things efficient. Efficient, producing at the lowest costs. so think a lil more on that.

That's not the point. I'm not trying to create some economic superpower here with a bunch of items. I'm just creating an economy to make it easier for people to trade, and do the other things I mentioned earlier. How people want to MF in their free time is up to them.

Economy IS power, there is no other way to describe it. The more resources you have at your disposal the possible power you can bring to the table.

Only the most fanatical devoted people are going to make a truly powerful clan.

(Just trying to bring people out of the clouds here)

Yes, but the intent of the economy is not so the leaders of the clan can become powerful. It's to help out the clan, plan tournaments, etc. Being a respected and powerful clan that people constantly want to join would be great, but that's not the main goal. We're just trying to make it fun, and encourage newcomers to get started with the financial aid provided to them by us.

Never said anything about the leaders, I was merely referring to the clan in general.

Eh. When WoW comes out, I'm debating on what to do with my d2 gearz.

If this clan starts working well, and shows signs of growth by then, I may just donate my gearz to the clan. I'm not rich but hey, its better then nothing.

30 3/20/5's
39 3/20/20's
9 290's
2x Nigma
x/6/x cta
x/3/x cta
160/60 +98 Life
120/45
Up'd Ber'd HoZ
2x 397 edmg Ebotd Cb's
Numerous annis.
10x pcombats.
Ber'd Shako

Stuff like that.

Bullshit your not rich.

Ahem. Check out d2jsp? They are offering 60 3/20/20's an item for some things....

Maybe I will as well. Depends on what I might get on ebay for it.

Hey why dont u just make money? Turn ur fun into a business. I dont play d2 anymore so thats why i cant join the clan otherwise i would but i think my idea could turn ur love of the game into some $$ money cash hoooeez! Like i said thru specialization, and then have a few people be the traders, people who are good at it. Some hard work and some elbow greese and u got a legit business. Maybe if u get rich u can throw the entrepenuer (me) a few hundred dolla billz! lol

lol

I might do something like that for a while.

I appologize because I'm really busy tonight. If I had time, I would write up everything I want for the clan today, and statr admitting members tomorrow, but I have a crazy amount of homework. I swear to god though, everyone who meets the qualifications and wants to be in will be in by Saturday.

just a thought that has come to my attention is that like SlickFic04 said is that the tax would kind of kill specialization. the tax should be like something equivilent not just one item/rune. For example, you said the tax could be a pul rune but what if you dont have a pul rune at the time when the tax is due or what if you do meph runs and only find items.
what i suggest is that the treasurer comes up with a few item equivilents of the tax. And another thing is what would you do with all the pul runes/other tax item of one kind anyway? you said it would be used to help setup tournaments and help new people ect. but atleast to me having 10 or so of the exact same items just doesnt sound logical for trading or even giving away purposes.

If the members follow my plan, and if the bank gets up and going, then hopefully we can use those pul runes to trade for items. There is already a table of equivalents to a pul rune made. Currency would be preferred of course, but if you can't pay the tax I'm sure there is something you could trade for a pul rune. We will find ways to work around any problems we have, just follow the system. Most important is we get this set up. If it works, then good. If not, we can ammend anything that needs to be changed. Like I said, Saturday this should be up and running. Just give me one more day.

I used to like this game.

This game is a fucking game.

Stop whining about a ' clan '

a ' clan ' will NEVER happen.

well u needn't worry about it, we wouldnt want you anyway :D

Good point with the pul, I was already making a list of comprable items. Guess I will have to hurry up and get it done.

OMG! I'm being taxed?

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION

It's already in place. All that's left for me to do is open it to everyone joining. I need to write a few guidelines, and that's it. Tomorrow, it will be open for registration.

Parliament has virtual representation...

I don't give a shit!!!!!

But this may seriously be a problem for me. Nearly ALL my resources have been used up, and I no longer mf... I might have hard time paying it.... (im not giving 3/20's as taxes!)