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Kuja 2003-07-17 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apoq
many barbs i've dueled use razortail

yes but the necro will still be casting walls/prisons .. and they'll still be absorbing the javalins

Well the barb still cant pierce whit razortail i tried.

Senesia 2003-07-17 04:02 PM

It doesn't pierce everytime. I think it is a 33% chance to pierce on 09 Razortail?

Kuja 2003-07-17 04:12 PM

Nope i tried for about 10 min whit a barb and it never pierced once. :cry:

Would be nice if it did pierce.

Senesia 2003-07-17 04:14 PM

But it did pierce for my throw baba.

Kuja 2003-07-17 04:17 PM

Weird was it on 1.09 or 1.10 ?

Senesia 2003-07-17 04:25 PM

1.08 and 1.09.

Kuja 2003-07-17 04:26 PM

Wow i guess i really got unlucky while testing it heh.

wowbirdtm 2003-07-18 02:00 PM

depends on the gear u have and your controls noobs~!!

Kuja 2003-07-18 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wowbirdtm
depends on the gear u have and your controls noobs~!!

Oh really equip matter ? None of us knew that ... and me that was wondering why i couldnt kill a sorc whit a cracked short-sword.

And control wow really thats something else we all ignored.

Your title suit you.

Useless Imp.

blckshdwdragon 2003-07-19 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by `Insolence`
Wtf are u talkin about, I've NEVER lost to a barb with my necro, ive never dueled a good thrower though, but thats how it would go.

You have to AIM double throw, BS is guided buddy, if u leave a bunch of walls around, he will hit those instead of you, and your bone armor will take a hit for you.

Decripcify will slow him down GREATLY, decrip than bs bs bs bs, as soon as he comps run, he wont hit u, cause you can decrip off screen if your good enough at it.


as i was saying b4 "aiming" is much different than throwing in 1 direction, as for decrypt do that all u want but it will NEVER hit an experienced* dueler for these reasons it can be explained in one of the BEST necro duelers guide from west (retired now), Cryptic-MoB


*above average dueler

blckshdwdragon 2003-07-19 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apoq
hey guess what kuja

druid not worst

druid > necro
druid >most sin
druid> some zon/sor
druid > some bar especially hybrid
druid>paladin

k?

............. of all ppl u should kno that in any case any class can beat another depending on the variant they choose to use with minor disadvantages and adavantages its a matter of tatics + player skill + equipment + build determines the winner of any duel

Kaneda 2003-07-19 12:55 AM

Someone please explain this so called necro ownage? LMAO...I must know.

blckshdwdragon 2003-07-19 12:57 AM

necros in legit dueling are better than u think, a common mis conception to everyone but a skilled player can wipe the floor wit u using a necro, u must understand a class b4 u can use one properly

Kaneda 2003-07-19 01:00 AM

I guess no one gives them the time of day huh?

`Insolence` 2003-07-19 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blckshdwdragon
Quote:

Originally Posted by `Insolence`
Wtf are u talkin about, I've NEVER lost to a barb with my necro, ive never dueled a good thrower though, but thats how it would go.

You have to AIM double throw, BS is guided buddy, if u leave a bunch of walls around, he will hit those instead of you, and your bone armor will take a hit for you.

Decripcify will slow him down GREATLY, decrip than bs bs bs bs, as soon as he comps run, he wont hit u, cause you can decrip off screen if your good enough at it.


as i was saying b4 "aiming" is much different than throwing in 1 direction, as for decrypt do that all u want but it will NEVER hit an experienced* dueler for these reasons it can be explained in one of the BEST necro duelers guide from west (retired now), Cryptic-MoB


*above average dueler

Explain how u dodge a spell thats instantly casted, much like how ts is casted for example, there is no way to dodge it buddy, ESPECIALLY IF YOU CLICK ON THE TARGET WITH THE SPELL.

Kuja 2003-07-19 01:44 AM

Hehe thats so true it s impossible to dodge curse if targeted
And well ts cant be *dodge* but can be avoid by necro whit bone walls.

ouroboros 2003-07-19 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blckshdwdragon
Quote:

Originally Posted by Apoq
hey guess what kuja

druid not worst

druid > necro
druid >most sin
druid> some zon/sor
druid > some bar especially hybrid
druid>paladin

k?

............. of all ppl u should kno that in any case any class can beat another depending on the variant they choose to use with minor disadvantages and adavantages its a matter of tatics + player skill + equipment + build determines the winner of any duel

apoq doesn't understand such things
&
hybrid baba > druid
stop playing the newbie hybrids.

Kuja 2003-07-19 01:57 AM

Lol actualy
Anything > Druid
and i cant understand why he seem to say that druid are good in duel if they were maybe we would see more ...

Druid > Necro ? LIE
IM Bone prison BS to dead he is stuck and if he break wall he die ....
Druid > most Ass ? LIE
Ass are much faster and get the first hit and also deal great ammount of dmg.
Druid > Zon ? LIE
Shoot a few time .... dead druid.
Druid > Sorc ? LIE
How you playing to reach something that teleport fast ?
Druid > Paladin ? LIE
Druid and Paladin are about the same in duel yet the charge give an advantage to the paladin.

`Insolence` 2003-07-19 03:02 AM

Druids are incrediably fast, with lots of life, less block lock, so they own assasins meele.

Druids are very fast (running wise) and can catch an amazon quite easilly, i know my lvl 29 druid almost never lost to an amazon, even higher level ones, run up hit then once and they are locked.

Druids vs paladin druid will almost always win this one.. meele they are better, and foh shouldnt hurt too bad, so they should catch em.

Sorcs would be kinda hard, but running fast enough, and block lock, u could probably kill a few.

Druid vs barb is very hard because of WW, but if u get lucky enough and lock him in a fury u will win, unless he starts throwing javs, in which case u can probably just tank a few and do your best at killing him, which would/could be pretty hard.

Kuja 2003-07-19 02:38 PM

Hehe i dunno where you play but druid suck in duel if they were any near good like you say there would be much more.

And for paladin FoH ? lol no more paladin use that in duel it suck. It's charge to death or charge/zeal.

For ass you think they maybe they are slow ? they always get the first hit in.

`Insolence` 2003-07-19 03:38 PM

...every meele char i thinkc an attack at 4 frame, assasins are not just plainly faster than the rest. Druids are no doubt the best meele chars with so much life, speed and damage.

more life = less fhr needed = more damage u can dish out = gg the other meele person, u have obvioully never dueled a good druid

ouroboros 2003-07-19 03:46 PM

more lies!

-=Rico-GP=- 2003-07-19 03:46 PM

Everything has to do with:
1. Level
2. Items
3. Whats socketed in your items
4. What stat point
5. What skill point
6. What charms

You can't judge one class by just dueling 1 level 82 whatever with your super pimped out level 99 whatever and saying it sucked... It depends on the skill of the maker, im pretty sure an assassin with the right 1-6 could easy take down necro, pally, druid, zon, or sorc.... not barb though, barb 0wnz assassin....
the same goes for all the other class's, the right 1-6 can make your character excel farther than anyones every before... But you can't beat the barb at a melee attack, unless its barb vs. barb because of damn wirlwind... anyways thats just my two cents...

Peace

Kuja 2003-07-19 04:51 PM

A good druid vs any good char BYE BYE druid There IS No Sunch Thing As GOOD DRUID !!

uncapped 2003-07-19 04:52 PM

You haven't dueled apoq then.

`Insolence` 2003-07-19 07:32 PM

...your stupid, druids own assasins and pallys, and barbs that do not use WW, druids sheer amount of life, and speed, own all.

Pekson 2003-07-19 09:34 PM

I beleive Druids do own as well all those mellee chars probably except a zon. Jabazons are bloody hard to hit!

Apoq 2003-07-19 09:54 PM

kuja : your Dumb you duel pubs you must not meet people with skill , blcksdrgn is right with a certain combination of items talent etc pretty much anything can happen .

im+bp? Nope . hunger takes care of that even using my 4 frame 5 range weapon im+bp can't kill me when i use hunger (mass leech)

kuja heres where you get really retarded charge gives paladin an advantage ? Nope if i shift lock i've already hit you 2-3 times before you can switch to zeal/smite/vengeance etc.

hey D don't spam "more lies"

kuja "asns get first hit" how? you mean uninterruptable probably hits more often, if you know what your'e doing you should never lose to a melee asn then again you probably don't.

druod SUCKz kuja try to speak intelligibly

any class can suck if you don't allocate stat skill gear wisely.
classes like sor / zon / bar make it alot easier than most other classes even with cheaper gear
that in my opinion is where the misconception zonZ sorZ and barZ are best pvp classes or that the rest suxxr
(its the poorer less enlightened people making judgements because they haven't seen much else or anyone who could afford to build a decent non bar/sor/zon)

kuja : if paladin / druid zeal/fury lock its very unlikely asn get first hit in. duel a 4 frame shifting zeal/fury druid

kuja : mages/vts/templars/judicators do still exist just not in ppkpkpk

`Insolence` 2003-07-19 10:00 PM

What about all the stuff i said, :(

Pekson 2003-07-20 01:41 AM

Apoq great defence there for the druids..

-=Rico-GP=- 2003-07-20 01:52 AM

we need to organize a pvp tournament for zelaron chars on all realms, we can make a leage and all this shit, it would be so cool to see how people's char's add up to all their boasting...

good idea? :confused: :confused:

starting a new thread.

ouroboros 2003-07-20 02:44 AM

ill stop spamming when you stick to one damn side.

which is it

"pretty much anything can happen"

or

druid>dgds
druid>dsg
druid>sdg
druid>sgdsg
druid>sgd
druid>gsdgsd

Kuja 2003-07-20 03:45 AM

Cow > Cain.

-=Rico-GP=- 2003-07-20 05:36 AM

Natalia > Anya

Apoq 2003-07-21 04:07 PM

eh i'm playing devils advocate

i'm saying from my experience i kill most/all of certain opponents i meet

but i'm assuming neither of us are 100% perfect so there is a possibilty someone with a different setup but same build could defeat/kill my current build

from my point of view druids can kill most zealot/asn/conc barb etc

but thats supposing that most of those players don't/haven't put as much effort into their characters and it makes it hard to judge which characters > other characters


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