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Grav 2007-09-10 08:31 PM

That. Doesn't. Even. Make. Sense.

Vollstrecker 2007-09-10 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by !King_Amazon!
Say that to Ghandi. He was completely against fighting. Even as his people were being gunned down, they would not fight. Turned out for the best.

Ghandi's situation is different, he believed in Civil Disobedience, which works well against establishments that rely upon your cooperation. Yes, it worked for him, but the situations are radically different between the U.S. now and Ghandi's India movements.

First off, nonviolent disobedience is largely just a nonviolent rebellion, which isn't a possibility because the United States would not be rebelling against a governing body, because we're a sovereign nation.

Reasoning with fanatics usually doesn't work out that well, but I'm unsure as to how we've attempted to reason with them thus far. That kind of thing doesn't make the news. ;)

The nation's interest is retaining sovereignty, saving as many of our lives as possible, and deterring any other threats of this type. None of that works if you're being gunned down, bombed, or whatever by fanatics. You'd gain a moral victory, but you'd still be dead. It takes fanatics of your own to find that an acceptable solution. Even the Samurai of Japan had a saying (I forgot where I read it); "Honor is a thin cloak against the chill of the grave."


I'm not saying I don't agree with nonviolent solutions, but there are times where there is no other option. It is always, ALWAYS the last option.

gruesomeBODY 2007-09-10 08:57 PM

I believe that we should have hunted for Bin laden. But he is probably dead already because he either a) took his own life or b) died of kidney problems. Well i hope he is happy that he got to live out his final moments on earth in a cave somewhere in a pile of his own shit. Now he is in hell wondering what he did wrong, fucktard.

!King_Amazon! 2007-09-10 09:07 PM

It's not proof that he's still alive, but he's still releasing videos, even though it might not actually be him. He's mentioning current events, so if it IS him, it's not old footage.

Then again, isn't Tupac still releasing music?

gruesomeBODY 2007-09-11 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by !King_Amazon!
It's not proof that he's still alive, but he's still releasing videos, even though it might not actually be him. He's mentioning current events, so if it IS him, it's not old footage.

Then again, isn't Tupac still releasing music?

True, but most medical experts have gone on record saying that it would be very hard for him to survive due to the treatments he would need for his crappy kidneys.

I really dont care if he is alive or not, but if he is and we get our hands on him, then justice wont be served. He will be arrested and tried and then put in jail for a few years til he is killed or dies. Seeing him in jail would not be the answer to all those familes. I say put him in the middle of a square or something and anybody that wants to can come up and just takea crack at him. But that is unrealistic so dont mind this post

!King_Amazon! 2007-09-11 08:16 AM

Yeah, that's not barbaric at all.

Who says he doesn't have the treatments he needs for his kidneys? He might be living in a palace right now. His gray beard was died black, which is a bit of a sign that he isn't just living in a cave somewhere.

Thanatos 2007-09-11 08:30 AM

Like what they did with Mussolini? Let's do it.

Demosthenes 2007-09-11 12:54 PM

Gruesome, why should we resort to such barbarism? Why should we sink to his level?

gruesomeBODY 2007-09-11 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
Gruesome, why should we resort to such barbarism? Why should we sink to his level?

Because i am an angry, irrational human being. I am very emotional and i will never ever forgive him or his stupid club of fuckers that think they are doing ala's work. That is why i am not God and you are MJ. Sorry to say it, but i am one to say fight fire with fire. I know im a terrible person in this reguard, but with this situation i really dont care.

hotdog 2007-09-11 07:09 PM

I totally agree. Except I say make them all pay. That way the rest of the world knows that if they piss us off they won't even have heirs to their legacy.

But I am also a person that doesn't cry when a little furry creature dies and I hate people in general so I say kill as many as you can or like. I don't mind seeing a video of a bunch of scorched dead bodies in a giant crater that used to be a country, and I certainly don't mind genocide. I would defile the bodies even, just to show that no respect is given to enemies.

Demosthenes 2007-09-11 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hotdog
I totally agree. Except I say make them all pay. That way the rest of the world knows that if they piss us off they won't even have heirs to their legacy.

But I am also a person that doesn't cry when a little furry creature dies and I hate people in general so I say kill as many as you can or like. I don't mind seeing a video of a bunch of scorched dead bodies in a giant crater that used to be a country, and I certainly don't mind genocide. I would defile the bodies even, just to show that no respect is given to enemies.

Thank God, or whatever you believe in, that you are not in power.

!King_Amazon! 2007-09-11 10:00 PM

It's only a matter of time, Mj. It seems like most people can't think rationally or logically these days. One day there will be a president just like him.

gruesomeBODY 2007-09-11 10:59 PM

sorry to bust your people but i was being truthful. Im glad somebody else sees it my way, but i hope that a presidnet never sees it my way or else we are all fucked

Grav 2007-09-12 06:30 AM

I don't see the point of belittiling your own intelligence, but okay. If you don't want to be a human being, please hand in your card at the desk and join the rest of the apes.

Dar_Win 2007-09-12 08:07 AM

WW2 was a different kind of war. These countries had air bases and armies that could match ours. Something major needed to be done to end the war before the enemy could develop nuclear missiles.

Iraq is a lot different. Since the Saddam is no longer in power there is no point in bombing military sites. If we did major bombings we would just be killing civilians.

And isn't it mostly Iraqis killing each other with all the suicide bombings instead of us killing civilians directly?

Willkillforfood 2007-09-12 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dar_Win
WW2 was a different kind of war. These countries had air bases and armies that could match ours. Something major needed to be done to end the war before the enemy could develop nuclear missiles.

Iraq is a lot different. Since the Saddam is no longer in power there is no point in bombing military sites. If we did major bombings we would just be killing civilians.

And isn't it mostly Iraqis killing each other with all the suicide bombings instead of us killing civilians directly?

So next time ...we bomb the civilians first and call it a result of war. CHECK!

gruesomeBODY 2007-09-12 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GravitonSurge
I don't see the point of belittiling your own intelligence, but okay. If you don't want to be a human being, please hand in your card at the desk and join the rest of the apes.

First off i was wasted when i replied to that. Second off, its not belittiling to my intelligence because i understand that my feelings are wrong and if i were to take actions, they would be wrong. Intelligence and feelings are not the same thing.

!King_Amazon! 2007-09-12 11:22 AM

If you know something you think is wrong but you don't change it, you're lacking intelligence. It could be called "Willed Ignorance" but that's a slightly different thing.


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