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The porn industry picked HD-DVD ...so GG, k?

lol

I don't frequent any of the many adult stores, so I wouldn't exactly know that. ;)

And the industry has also chosen Blu-ray.

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Look at the facts:

- Blockbuster rent and sell Blu-ray, not HD-DVD, in an obscenely large majority of their high-street stores.
- The majority of Hollywood studios are exclusive Blu-ray supporters, with the few that are left being adopters of both formats, or just HD-DVD (a very small number).
- Blu-ray discs are outselling HD-DVD discs in every territory. Generally, for every one HD-DVD sold, there are three Blu-ray discs sold.

Then there's those about the discs themselves:

- Single layer HD-DVD can hold 15gb of data, compared to the 25gb of Blu-ray.
- A dual layer HD-DVD can hold 30gb of data, compared to the 50gb of Blu-ray.

Blu-ray discs can hold more content, or content of a higher quality.

And let me tell you, the quality of a Blu-ray film is phenomenal! Remember how amazing it was to go from a VHS recording to a DVD recording? It's the same when you go from DVD to Blu-ray - not only is the picture clearer and sharper, but the colours are a lot richer and deeper. The sound is also a lot better, seeing as it needs no compression.

Then think of a Blu-ray disc being used for games. The Xbox 360 uses DVD-9's - each game can only take up 9gb, and so needs to be heavily compressed to fit onto one disc. PS3 games, on the other hand, can be put on the disc with no compression at all. For example: Resistance: Fall of Man - 16gb, LAIR - 25gb, Heavenly Sword - 25gb (10gb of which is uncompressed audio). It's reported that Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction is going to make use of a dual layer Blu-ray disc, as may Metal Gear Solid 4. Ninja Theory have commented that they will definitely use a dual layer Blu-ray disc for Heavenly Sword 2.

Who's heard of the new game from ID called Rage? The Xbox 360 version will be two-discs. The PS3 version? A single Blu-ray disc. And why? It's the textures. A single level can contain up to a massive 20gb of textures!

The price of Blu-ray is going down quickly. You used to have to pay twice the amount for a Blu-ray disc over a HD-DVD disc, and now they're equal. And the prices of players are plumetting - a year ago you'd pay as much as $1000 for a Blu-ray player, now, with the PS3, you can get a high quality one (with full upscaling capabilities, and the ability to output 1080p at 24Hz) for $499. There are players coming out soon that will be $300.

Need I go on any more?

And you forgot Blu-ray's better support for user-hating DRM =D.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In terms of major studios in North America, HD DVD is currently exclusively backed by Universal Studios (including subsidiaries Rogue Pictures, Focus Features and Polygram Filmed Entertainment), Paramount Pictures (including Paramount Vantage, Nickelodeon Movies, MTV Films, DreamWorks Pictures and DreamWorks Animation), The Weinstein Company (including Dimension Films), and First Look Studios.

The format is non-exclusively backed by Warner Bros. Pictures (it should be noted that a number of Warner's titles—Batman Begins, Constantine, Troy (excluding Troy: Director's Cut), V for Vendetta, The Perfect Storm, Poseidon, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, The Matrix Trilogy—are HD DVD exclusive at the present), Warner Music Group, New Line Cinema, HBO, Studio Canal, and Image Entertainment (including the Discovery Channel),[36] Magnolia Pictures,[37] Brentwood Home Video, Ryko, Koch/Goldhil Entertainment.[38] HD DVD does have more studio support than Blu-ray in Europe. HD DVD is currently exclusively backed by several adult-movie/pornography studios/publishers, including Wicked Pictures, Pink Visual, Bang Bros, Digital Playground Inc. and ClubJenna Inc. (which on 22 June 2006 was acquired by Playboy Enterprises), and HD DVD is also non-exclusively backed by Vivid Entertainment.

Sources claim history as a reference, that the pornography industry may have a big influence in the HD DVD versus Blu-ray format war, because some claim this was a major factor during the VHS/Betamax war, however this "urban legend" has been thoroughly debunked by economic analysts. The amusing (and false) legend is that Sony refused to allow pornographic material on their system, but a quick perusal of the Betamax library reveals that adult entertainment was readily available. For example, Playboy Industries released their videos in a dual format, both Betamax and VHS, for most of the 1970s and 80s (and can be confirmed with a quick search through Ebay's adult section, or other used video markets). Second, the adult industry is too small to have any lasting impact on standards selection. According to Forbes.com, adult video income is approximately $1 billion. "The industry is tiny next to broadcast television ($32.3 billion in 1999), cable television ($45.5 billion), the newspaper business ($27.5 billion), Hollywood ($31 billion), even to professional and educational publishing ($14.8 billion). When one really examines the numbers, the porn industry --while a subject of fascination-- is every bit as marginal as it seems at first glance." [39]

Beginning July 2007, Blockbuster Video[40] will be carrying Blu-ray Disc in 1,450 stores, in addition to the original 250 that carried both HD DVD and Blu-ray. Online they will still be offering both formats.[41] Blockbuster will continue to offer both formats at its initial 250 stores that currently carry both high-definition formats.[42]

On August 20, 2007, Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks Pictures, and DreamWorks Animation announced that they would become HD DVD-exclusive beginning with the releases of Blades of Glory, Shrek the Third, and Transformers.[43] The New York Times reported, citing sources close to the deal, that in exchange for 150 million dollars in financial incentives they will be exclusive for at least the next 18 months, covering the next two holiday seasons. [44] As of the announcement, Shrek the Third and Transformers were ranked second and fourth in 2007 domestic box office grosses and are both poised to be top sellers during the 2007 holiday season. Together, Paramount and DreamWorks are currently the 2007 box office leaders.[45] Films directed by Steven Spielberg are excluded from this announcement[46].

Industry isn't as fixed as you think. They don't enforce REGIONAL codes and there is a hd-dvd addon available for xbox360s (which a good bit more xbox360s have been sold more than ps3s.)

Tbh, I wouldn't care which side won if I didn't absolutely loathe Sony's lackluster customer policies. They thought it was alright to install DRM on your pc from music CDs even if you clicked "no" on the EULA. I find it absolutely hilarious that their ps3 is doing poorly compared to the alternatives =D.

The HD-DVD add-on for 360's is for films only. There are no plans for games on the HD-DVD format. In that way, 360 users miss out on the much larger storage of next-gen formats. Don't forget that EVERY PS3 is a Blu-ray player, whereas you need to buy the add-on to turn the 360 into a HD-DVD player.

And don't forget, either, that Sony is a Japanese company and works in the traditional Japanese way - each division loathes the others, and doesn't work together. The PlayStation side of Sony is more or less separate from the division that had fun with DRM on music CDs.

PS3 doing poorly? For the past four weeks it has outsold the 360 in every territory, and the trend appears to be continuing. The Wii has outsold the two, and the PS2 outsells all consoles (hand-helds is a different market).

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Originally Posted by Lenny

The Xbox 360 was officially unveiled on MTV on May 12, 2005, with detailed launch and game information divulged later that month at the Electronic Entertainment Expo. It is the first console to provide near-simultaneous launch across the three major regions, and to provide wireless controller support at launch. The console sold out completely at release (with the exception of Japan) and as of Q2 2007, sold 11.6 million units worldwide.

Total 4.28 million playstation 3s sold as of June 30, 2007.

http://vgchartz.com/aweekly.php?date=39306

Not sure if that's a reputable site or not but it has xbox360 games way outpacing ps3 game sales.

Just off my own personal experience ...I know a lot more people with xbox360s than ps3s. I never hear people talking about ps3 games either ...it's alwards Gears of War or Guitar Hero.

Oh, of course! I forgot! The PS3 came out at the same time as the 360. How silly of me.

In its first four months, the PS3 sold more units than the 360 did in its first four months.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/ch...ths-249629.php

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VGChartz is one of the more reputable ones. If you'd have posted a link to NextGenWars I would have had to ban you. :rolleyes:

Whilst I know more people with 360s, I know more people still who want a PS3, just can't get one yet because of price. Even people who don't know the first thing about gadgets want a PS3 over a 360.

Because of Japan and playstation fanboys, but the xbox360 has to this point been doing a hell of a lot better than the ps3 on sales (even though the xbox360 had a huge disadvantage in Japan where the Japanese want to support the home team =D). Even if the past 4 weeks it's been outpacing the xbox360 (which that website I link says otherwise) then it still has literally millions of units to catch up to.

And the source that said the PS3 has been outselling the 360 for four weeks was the NPD Group figures. A bit more reputable than an internet site, methinks.

Yes, it does have a lot to catch up. And Sony have put a plan on the table to have shipped another 11 million consoles by the end of their fiscal year.

And to be quite honest, I can seriously see them doing that, what with Killzone 2 and MGS4 coming out in Q1 '08, let alone the flood of games from September to Christmas.

EDIT: Our sources are about different things - the NPD Group figures are for hardware sales, whilst VGChartz is software sales, I think.

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Originally Posted by Lenny

Oh I'd say they have plenty of consoles in the U.S. already. Quite a few sitting on store shelves =D.

Spin it any way you want - people don't want to buy them, people don't have to go out and buy a new one every three months because the Japanese know how to build gadgets, Sony have good a very good supply chain.

One could counter and say that there are lots of 360s sitting on shelves. Definitely the case where I am.

Personally, Gran Turismo 5 alone is going to be worth it, that and HD DVD's on my PS3...

Blu-ray's on your PS3. :rolleyes:

yah know wut i meeaaann

All I can say is buying a stand-alone player at this point in time would be retarded for either case. I'd stick with DVDs until a standard is made or players that support both formats become readily available.

I have played both the 360 and ps3. Personally, i liek the 360 more because of the quality from the box to the tv and the games. Im not knocking the ps3 because there are alot of good things that come with it, but i feel liek the 360 is way better. For right now, i think that bioshock and the release of halo 3 will make the 360 the superior system. But when grand turismo 5 comes out, ps3 will shoot through the roof. Its all what you like.

And Universal Studios, currently an exclusive HD-DVD supporter may go Blu-ray.

http://www.psu.com/Universal-May-Go-...--a1000-p0.php

Personally I think that whoever made the decision at Paramount is daft. Blu-ray sales far outweigh HD-DVD sales... yet they've dropped Blu-ray to save money by using the slightly cheaper HD-DVD format?

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It's always a question of games, exactly.

Which nicely brings us back around to my original question to HoH - which genre do you play?

Just give it some time, the PS3 will be worth it eventually.

There's a chance this is the last great burnable storage medium "war" we'll see, with a lot of the world coming into cheap access of reliable and fast internet connections. I guess the main obstacle now is just the amount of HD space you'd need to have.