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Kuja 2003-12-09 11:23 AM

Words of great wisdom have been spoken!

Mantralord 2003-12-09 11:30 AM

That's all swell, but do you believe in the prophecy?

Senesia 2003-12-09 01:56 PM

I didn't know Tai is a materialist...

iceman887 2003-12-09 04:46 PM

whats a materialist?

Senesia 2003-12-09 04:58 PM

Materialists believe that Human Beings are just machines. We humans and machines are distinguishable only by the level of complexity.

There's no Mind, no Soul, nothing immaterial in us, and we are only complex physical organism.

KagomJack 2003-12-09 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuja
Here is a few thing that i find somehow funny.

Once you have evidence that something is true. Well, it isnt believing anymore. Believing is to accept something as true whithout any evidence, proof or whatever.

Sorry...no offense 2 ne1 whatsoever but i have a hard time blindly following things without some evidence of them...i mean why should i listen to this supposed god or even believe in him if there is no evidence. You can say it's a matter of faith...but if you want my faith you have to earn it i dont just go around having faith in things...

why is it you think we follow God blindly? We have free will. We don't have to stay Christian just because others are. And we can think for ourselves a lot better than you can think. Some of the greatest scientists were Christian. Galileo, Darwin, Copernicus, etc.

Demosthenes 2003-12-09 05:49 PM

i believe the same thing more or less as tai

zagggon 2003-12-09 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by iceman887
whats a materialist?

a material

Tai 2003-12-09 11:25 PM

Not quite a materialist as you might think. Ergo the universe being a "hologram" to an extent, potentionally even as radical as two dimensional as I've heard, I'm willing to believe we're not really waht we appear to be, and there's a more definitive existance behind it. But we won't really know that until we get there, if it's there at all.

To be honest, you'd be better off believing in a god. Why? You'd probably be happier.

timmay1113 2003-12-09 11:53 PM

To have faith means you dont need and evidence but anyways i believe there is something out there. I dont know if i believe all of the Jesus and Bible stuff but i just believe something created the universe... something...

D3V 2003-12-10 05:17 PM

There is no way of actually getting 'real proof' or 'actual evidence'

Faith is the only real thing that you can go on. But, even if you don't believe in god, or anything superior to us, then ask yourself, How did we get here? There has to be something bigger than us that created us. I'm not saying that god had made each one of us, or that he even watches us now. But something had to have created us. Aliens, God, whatever it may be, there is something greater than us.

No matter how far you can trace back history there will be evidence that something had to get the 'ball' rolling. Even if there was a spec of a molecule in the middle of the universe, it didn't just appear out of time. SOMETHING HAD TO PUT IT THERE, Thats why i believe atheists are 'dim-witted'

Demosthenes 2003-12-10 05:23 PM

Well...you can say the same thing about whatever it was that put us here. How did it come into existance?...is their something bigger than it. It could go in an endless cycle like that...it's inexplainable....but atheists give just as much logical explanation as the believers...no one can prove anything.

sh0e 2003-12-10 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
If god himself came down, slapped me in the face, and granted me any 3 wishes i asked for i would believe.

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Anyway to answer your question, if it came down here and slapped me in the face, I'd kick it's ass, then I'd believe that there is a God that could get it's ass kicked by a mortal.

really? id think i was seeing pink elephants

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Originally Posted by Kuja
Once you have evidence that something is true. Well, it isnt believing anymore. Believing is to accept something as true whithout any evidence, proof or whatever.

that makes no sense
virtually all people.. unless under the influence or having a couple screws loose.. have some reason that they hold as evidence to think something is true

atheism is really nothing more than a religion for which the "supreme being" is designated as nothing or nonexistant.. just replace the "supreme being" or "higher existence" with "nothing" and youve got atheism

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
Well...you can say the same thing about whatever it was that put us here. How did it come into existance?...is their something bigger than it. It could go in an endless cycle like that...it's inexplainable....but atheists give just as much logical explanation as the believers...no one can prove anything.

how is the explanation "logical".. its self contradictory if anything
claiming that there is no "supreme being" because there is no solid "proof".. yet they have even less "proof" themselves

Kuja 2003-12-10 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sh0e
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Originally Posted by Kuja
Once you have evidence that something is true. Well, it isnt believing anymore. Believing is to accept something as true whithout any evidence, proof or whatever.

that makes no sense
virtually all people.. unless under the influence or having a couple screws loose.. have some reason that they hold as evidence to think something is true

Your the one that just made no sense. Come on, tell me some of those evidence that will look like
"I didnt had a meal in days and there he was! Jesus! Riding Santa sleig! After my joyful moment he threw me a bread and said enjoy."

iceman887 2003-12-10 08:30 PM

hey this is kinda off topic and dumb but does anyone know whats the difference between like catholic and christian and like whats the difference of all those different types like methodist,bapist,protestent(not sure how to spell)?

Demosthenes 2003-12-10 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sh0e
how is the explanation "logical".. its self contradictory if anything
claiming that there is no "supreme being" because there is no solid "proof".. yet they have even less "proof" themselves

yea...seriously that made no sense

KagomJack 2003-12-10 09:35 PM

Warning, off-topic: Iceman, send me a private message and I will tell you the difference.

On-topic: I think it would take a divine intervention to make an Atheist a Christian or god-believer...or several hundred bigotted Jack Chick tracts XD

RoboticSilence 2003-12-10 09:47 PM

No... it would take what you refer to as "Divine Intervention"... unless I was personally confronted with "God" and he gave me proof of "his" existence, I will not accept that there is a "God."

KagomJack 2003-12-10 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RoboticSilence
No... it would take what you refer to as "Divine Intervention"... unless I was personally confronted with "God" and he gave me proof of "his" existence, I will not accept that there is a "God."

you'd be surprised at the amount of people who never see or meet God and yet God's divine intervention happens to be a friend or an aquaintance.

Kuja 2003-12-10 10:02 PM

Yes, it is often refered to as *delusion*


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