In the other game he has a guest appearance in, he can fly, evidently. And Breaks Limits are a tricky thing. They appear in the game to be damagae induced, but at the end when Cloud and Sephiroth are squared off, just the shear presence of Sephiroth gets Clouds Limit soaring up to the point of Omni-Slash Heaven!

I guess if Cloud gets mad enough, he can use Limits, but then again, I highly doubt that if no one other than Sephiroth could induce that type of Limit to occur, then X doesn't have a shit shot in hell to do it. Damage would appear to be the way in this Battle case.

read my former post
in kingdom hearts cloud flies when you fight cloud teamed with some other guy

btw should i edit that post for grammar? if its really not readable like that ill edit it

I didnt see you mention kingdom hearts.... But cloud is nothing but a swordsmen without materia or anger induced limit breaks. This is kind of an unfair batlle ddont you think?? Maybe he should be able to use materia? Otherwise how can he defeat any real challanger?

maybe you should actually read the thread before posting and maybe while your doing that the rules too

Cloud can't use materia, yet X can use all these godly upgrades. I'm not understanding how this is suppose to be even.

Shoe, dont start with me you little peon. Your the one who should read the rules i know he cant use materia, im saying how the fuck is this fair??? megaman is one big ass upgrade, yet cloud is a human... thats not aloud to use any of his actuall powers... yet megaman can use all of his... can we say handicaped match?
This wasnt a well thought out match..

The Charged Shot X1 - X4 is not comparable with the one X uses in X5 - X6 in certain armor. It is blockable as in, you can stop it from moving further, but by doing so, the one who's defending will take damage, unless he's using a foot thick shield. (Sort of like Blast damage which stay for a few seconds)

What can Cloud do when he's flying? He might be a master in close-ranged battle, but...leaving the ground and keeping a distance from X? Say, when Cloud is in the air, X could use Meteor Shower (Charged Maverick weapon in X6) and...I don't think Cloud would be able to dodge them.

U-Buster in X6 makes ALL of X shots (Including Maverick Weapon) charged. It takes no time at all.

Omnislash is a combo (Combo of slashes), apparently. As I have said, X has this Damage Barrier which will activate whenever he gets hit. With D-Barrier (a part), the duration of the invulnerable doubles. After the first hit gets in, the several follows will not damage X. That would account for any combo performed to X, actually.

P.S. There was an arugment about the ability to use magic for FF characters awhile back, by the way.

One thing to add about the "flying Cloud" thing in KH:

After he's done with his little rampage (about 20 seconds worth) he gets extremely tired - to the point where he completely stops for about 5 seconds or so, leaning on his sword, out of breath. At that point, he's easy as heck for Sora to get a few combos on. I'd say that X would take him out right there, if Cloud were to pull his little flying move..

You're forgetting that X doesn't have an unlimited amount of ammo for those special weapons of his. He wouldn't have very much leeway before he found himself having to rely almost entirely upon his primary weapon.

Plus, I don't think you people are giving Cloud nearly enough credit for his physical advantages. If he can fly, he has greater mobility, and is therefore harder to shoot. I don't care what kind of tracking systems X has, a flying target is difficult to shoot one way or another.

Cloud also proved himself capable of physical feats that no normal human could ever imagine doing. Has X ever been impaled on a 6-foot katana and then used his impaled torso as a fulcrum on which to toss another human being off of a cliff? I think not.

Also, Cloud isn't going to be phased by a couple of different energy weapons nearly as easily as you people seem to think he would be. His blood courses with Mako, thereby making him stronger, faster and more reistsant to all kinds of damage than any normal creature. If Cloud is capable of stomaching an attack like Supernova, what the hell makes you think that a charged Mega Buster shot is going to even so much as scratch him?

None of you are giving Cloud nearly the amount of credit he deserves. He has a lot more advantages than just using an assload of materia, and if you want Cloud to win, you have to start thinking outside of that very narrow box.

And, if I recall correctly, Cloud didn't need to charage any kind of Limit Meter to use his Final Fantasy Tactics Limit Breaks. Those just ate up MP. Materia or not, he still has MP at his disposal.

So by getting exhausted quickly he wont be flying forever and will need to rest.


The in-battle super nova is actualy quite weak. It's more of a area effect spell with average damage. Nothing more.


In FF Tactics he need to use his Materia Blade to do Limit and the blade is extremly weak.

Shit, yeah, you're right Kuja. I forgot exactly how his Limits worked in FFT. But, that actually stands to work better than if they burned MP. Why? Because the standard amount of time allocated to any combat turn in an RPG is three seconds. I recall it taking something around 5 to 10 full rounds of charging in order for Cloud to use most of his Limits. That would mean Cloud would have to spend a maximum of 30 seconds charging an attack in order to use one of his FFT Limits. He could simply have his Materia Blade equipped while he's charging, use the Limit, and then switch to the Ultima Weapon when he's finished. Plus, while he's charging, if he took any damage from one of X's attacks, his FF7 Limit gauge would continue to increase, preparing him for yet another Limit Break soon after.

I dont recall Cloud being able to switch equipment during combat in any games.

I don't remember X having access to ALL of his upgrades from ALL of the games in a single game, so stfu.

KA what you just said make no sense at all.
It's like if your saying Cloud cant use ability of more then 1 game in the fight. It's the whole point of Zelaron Melee... character being able to do what they did in all their games.

Cloud wouldnt be able to change equipment in-battle cause he cant do it in any of the game that he is.

X can change his weapon he use while in battle. But he cannot change his armor. It's how the game work and how it is.

Like i said in a previous battle of X or Zero. Not all weapon can be equip on X or Zero and thats normal. Cause there is an ammount of slot for those weapon allowed on them and trying to put more would be like trying to put 15 toaster in a normal plug. It wouldnt work.

I believe the rules were stated as a character having access to all abilities and features specifically for that character in all games (s)he participated in.

As just stated, Cloud has access to all of his weapons and abilities. However, none of his abilities included switching weapons mid-fight.

X has access to all of his features from all of his games. (Might I add, nobody has included the Marvel vs Capcom fighting games in any of this.) X has the ability to switch weapons on the dime, and he can use this in the fight.

Hes probably refering to kingdom hearts, in which he can just jump reaaaaly high. Mega man also has zero's sabre. So if he wanted to. X could sparr with cloud mono e mono with swords. Him being the machine, and not being able to get tired, would eventually win.

X raises the sabre triumphantly over the bloody,, burned carcass of cloud.

Cloud has faced opponents much harder than X, he fought ruby and emerald. He shouldn't have any trouble at all beating X.

Might I add that no one remembers Ehrgeiz either.

You honestly think that a tireless machien with an energy blade will lose to a mere mortal. Your assuming that could has even versed creatures the likes of x, which he hasnt to my knowledge.

Wrong he didnt beat ruby and emerald. It wasnt 1vs1 against ruby and emerald. He beat them using summon and partner with heal and items like potion and stuff. So plenty of stuff he doesnt have access to.

He mostly rely on teamwork something he cannot get in zelaron melee which is going to be giving him a weakness over X.

X on the other hand is quite the loner in the battle field which give him an advantage already but even bigger when you count what i said above. That Cloud is a mostly team work dependent in most situation.