Ahhh, never really understood what happened there, thanks.

Well ppl post some lol there many way that Seifer can ravage Seymour i gave a few reason and the only attack i say he did were melee i didnt even use any spell of the black magic type. :-)
Seifer > Seymour.

What a joke. You said it yourself that you didn't even use any attack magic. Seifer CAN'T win even IF you had used it. Since you gave an expalanation of Seifer's abillities, I'll do the same.

Seymour-Fire, Fira, Firega, Thunder, Thundera, Thunderga, Bilizzard, Blizzara, Blizzarga, Water, Watera, Waterga, Break, Protect, Shell, Reflect, Dispel(ALL), Multi-Magic(Fira, Thundera, Watera, Blizzara), Lance of Atrophy, Flare, Cura, Ultima

Mortibody-Desperado, Cura, Shattering Claw

Mortiorchis-Cross Cleave, Full-Life
Seymour+Mortiorchis-Total Anihillation

Each of the attacks listed above are extremely deadly. Seymour and Mortibody's Cura could easilly cure Seymour's HP up by 3,000 combined. That may not seem like much, but Seifer can't hardly hurt him anyway. Don't get me wrong, Seifer is strong, he's just outclassed in this instance.

The Lance of Atrophy causes Zombie, but it can still deal some good, physical damage.

His most powerful attacks, Flare, Total Anihillation and Ultima, could probably combined take about 1/3 of Seifer's final HP. Total Anihhilation is an attack that causes multiple damage. At first he would probably cause 2,000 damage, but when he launches himself into the air he would probably cost 3500 damage. Ultima would cost Seifer well over 7,000 even though his Magic Dfense stat is somewhat high, it isn't high enough.

Cross Cleave would hurt him about half of what Total Anihillation could do.

Now onto Defense. Seifer with Gunblade Slash wouldn't even reach the 900 mark. His other powerfull Limit Breaks could cost about...2000. As I said above, Seymour's physical defense has pretty much always been high. Seifer's magics are just there to keep him interesting. They're really crappy and pathetically weak.

As for Anima, his HP is rather high from what I remember. Seifer would get somewhat hurt, but he probably could kill Anima.

Other Issues: Seymour's love was even more than obsession. After death, his plans changed and so did his personallity, power-hungry to destructive. Though his love for Yuna never lessened. It was a mortal desire that could not be stamped out by the cold hands of death.

Battle:

Seymour: Casts Protect
Seifer: Dispel
Seymour: Thunderga
Seifer: Gunblade slash
Seifer: Slash
Mortibody: Desperado
Seymour: Blizzarga
Seifer: Firega
Seifer: Slash
Seymour: Break(Seifer can't be Petrified)
Seifer: Tornado Slash
Seymour: Cura
Mortibody: Cura
Seifer: Cura
Mortiorchis: Auto-Mode
Seifer: Thundera
Mortiorchis: Ready to Anihilate
Seifer: slash
Seymour: Reflect
Seymour+Mortiorchis: Total Anihillation
Seifer: Bloodfest
Seymour: Flare(on himself but he cast Reflect on himself)
Seymour: Lance of Atrophy
Mortibody: Shattering Claw
Seifer: Cura
Seymour: Ultima
Seymour: Firega

It would go until Seifer was dead. Seymour can cure himself and his attacks are three times as powerful as Seifer's attacks.

Kuja's #1, while I do like a lot of your arguments, damage is irrelevent. Both characters are based on different games, so if one character has 9000 hp, and the other 9 million, that doesnt mean shit.

So it doesn't matter if one is weak and wil be cut down in one strike? Seymour is very slow and can't dodge attacks. He relies on his defense.

What about statistics like phys. attacks strengh?

Statistics shouldn't matter. You can say he has high, solid defense, but bringing in numbers wouldn't strengthen your point.

That's how I see it...

Well then, I already stated what would happen in a real battle. I also listed his arsenal and such, so there should be no more arguement. Seymour wins!!

Serious i think we can all see you dont see seifer for what he is.

Now he some sort of weak imp for some reason ? if you didnt read he got dispell so no use for him to cast 2 spell while seifer could get 1 attack in and dispell just as seymour done buffing himself.

From what i see Total Anihillation highest part of the dmg is from melee contact and that mean he could always dodge it.
Also you make it sound like he can do infinite attack while seifer just sit there. Seifer is fast even more whit haste and if Seymour cast dispell he lose a round and Seifer still gained even more time then his normal speed allow him.
Cross Cleave seem like melee to me so can be dodged.
Mostly since from what i see this guy is a caster so he cant be that good as a melee.

Where The Hell your brain just went ? Here again you compare Seifer to a imp whit a toothpick. Dispell no fucken shell or nothing. His damage would be much higher and his speed again allow him to attack much more often.


Did you actualy read all the post ?

And if Seymour cast dispell, Seifer can cast haste again and be on advantage whit Seymour since his natural speed higher and haste make him crazy. Seifer would end up being able to do attack before the next dispell. So Seymour would probably not be stupid enought to keep dispelling while getting ravaged. But if he does he could do it easier on himself by jumping in a coffin.

Seifer could not dodge Total Anihillation. It blows everything around him to hell. He could dodge to the left and to the right, but he can't dodge them all. I say more than half would hit him.

Seymour won't always cast Dispel. I said aboce about how strong his magic powers are. Multi-Fira and all that shit would fuck'n kill Seifer! You didn't even mention Ultima. The ULTIMATE MAGIC ATTACK!!! I can't see Seifer dodging that. And as soon as it hits him...that fucker is dead!

I would also like to mention that you didn't read MY post. I stated a battle, configuring both character's powers. If you had read it, I have Seifer doing two attacks in a row sometimes. If you don't even configure Seymour's powers as a deadly. Make it sound like Seifer could attack ENDLESSLY. Seymour with the Mortibody watching Seifer could easilly keep Seifer at bay. Seifer couldn't get close with out getting slashed by it.

lol so now that you have actualy no argument to fight you actualy say ultima will 1 shot kill ?
I dont think that how it work.
Seifer win he gonna slash that monkey into peices.

That's all your arguement. Dodge and slash. That wouldn't win a victory against Seymour. I just said that the Mortibody would keep Seifer at bay. Should he come close the Mortibody could cut him up! Also the Lance of Atrophy coul pierce right through Seifer pussy human body. With Seymour's mystical forms, how do you know that Seifer's sword wouldn't just breakp on Seymour? Yo don't. You are the one with no arguement my extremely arguementative friend.

Since Seymour is not immune to Physical attacks, I'd assume that Seifer's blade will hurt him instead of breaking the sword itself.

Yeah I did mess up on that. But my other points are valid. Seymour's attacks are just to strong for Seifer to kill him. Ultima, Flare and Lance of Atrophy would be enough I'd assume since Ultima and Flare are the strongest black magic and Seymours strength is rather formiddable though some people don't know that.

Seifer skills are still better then the 1 of seymour his gunblade would do high dmg hit + shoot = bang great damage.
No to mention his speed that is better and even much better while hasted. There no reason to deny Seifer his victory over Seymour.

Seymour = high damage very slowly
Seifer = Nice damage Very Quickly !

Because of his speed he would quickly gain up on the damage.

I hope someday that you will read my post. The Mortibody could fight Seifer and keep him at bay. Its Shattering Claw could severely hurt Seifer and keep him distracted long enough to give Seymour enough time to attack with some kick ass magic.

Enough of just statistcs and moves. A part of these battles are analizing the character's mind and such.

Seifer is impulsive. He is so fucking arrogant that he wouldn't take Seymour seriously. He'd blow him off and dance and shit because he has the brain of a piece of shit.

Seymour is calculating. He does not rush into a battle. He examines an enemy and configures that person's or persons' weaknesses.

With Seifer taking him lightly and Seymour observing all Seifer's faults, Seymour could easilly win.

Your really taking Seifer like a rat.
He taking stuff seriously he turned against his own garden.
When he was fighting when he in the party he was looking at that like a joke but the rest when he not ? He taking it seriously.
When he fight squall in the starting movie seq. You can tell he serious.
When he launch his attack against another garden 2 his old 1 he serious again.
Each time you fight him he doesnt mess arround.

Your judging him like he was some circus clown thinking he a fucken weakling that doesnt take anything seriously.

The only 1 that hardly give a shit in FFVIII is Squall.

(deep sigh)

For one, you said nothing of his arrogance. He taunts Squall in the beginning and he taunts through out the game. He is so fuck'n full of himself its sick. Even Kuja knew when arrogance was placed at the right time. Seifer just can't help it. Its like Edea or I guess Ultamecia says "he's just a scared little boy"

He has so many issues. Its really quite sad For one self-doubt in an extreme case. He can't convince himself that he's the shit so he keeps repeating it only to get "the shit" knocked out of him.

Your not mentioning Seymour at all. His is extremely cautious. Seifer would taunt him and since there would be no reaction from Seymour, Seifer wouldn't like that. His own inner rage would consume him and the blood would rush to his brain making him incapable of thinking properly under pressure. That's what makes him such a bad warrior.

Again your WAY OVER EXAGGERATING what he is.

The only 1 he would have any chance to go nuts and lose control cause he mad on would be squall it s a fight they had since they are born nobody else would be able 2 remove his focus from a mission he on.

His current Mission : Destroying Seymour.

Seymours Mission: winning Zel Melee and destroying the Universe

obstacle: Seifer Almasy

He's a pawn in the way of a King. He doesn't have an agenda. He doesn't have a will. He's a puppet and all his powers were given to him by Ultamecia. He's nothing more than the Sorceress' Lap Dog.

Again you don't mention his stupidity at being arrogant. He naturally assumes he's gonna kick some ass and then his ass is getting kicked. He blindly rushes into battles.

You are the one who is completely blind kuja. You simply refuse to see Seymour is superior in every way! His temperment, strength and everything else. I acknowledge the fact Seifer is strong and fast. I know ALL about him. But the fact of the matter is, Seymour is just too strong and too
smart. S

Back to battle plans. Seifer with Haste might be able to get past the Mortibody. Though the Mortiorchis' Cross Cleave could do some damage. Seifer is fast but Cross Cleave is to powerful and wide-spread for him to dodge.

He could Cura himself to negate all Seifer has done and the Mortibody could use Desperado. Again, a wide-spread attack that he could not doge.

Seifer would probably use his Limit now. Or maybe some magic. Unfortuanately, Seymour could use Multi-Blizzara. That would stun him for a sec. Allowing Seymour to cast Flare.

Seifer cures himself. He probably strikes three more times. Seymour cast Cura on himself and the Mortibody uses Desperado again.

Seifer uses Firega. Seymour does nothing. Seifer continuously slashes. Total Anihillation! Seifer could not doge this attack either.

His agenda you know it he tell about it !
It s being the knight of the witch.
His will.
He want to succeed at what he doing he take being knight of the witch very seriously.
A puppet.
If you call his romantic fantasy puppet well Seymour nothing better.

Assume he's gonna kick ass...
Yeah i think thats it s a good point thinking you gonna lose will help losing. Positive thinking is the key Thx for helping Seifer out.

He blindly rush ? Plz tell me where you see that... The only rushing i see was in the start and it was squall rushing.


If you would of did know ALL about him you wouldnt have pointed that wrong statement about him Charging Blindly,Being Berserk and stuff like that cause he aint that way the only 1 that could push him to do that would be squall.

Your considering Curu like an elixir or your back whit putting toothpick in Seifer hand ...


I dont feel like posting what would happen again.

Not to mention your making look like he can cast none-stop and spell are instant.
Spell are not working like a fucken Uzi.

Seymours wouldnt win.