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| [10:03] D3V:
Who created the program of the programmer? Another programmer? And how does this chain lapse, does it? Does it go on indefinitely? We cannot know because it is beyond our ability of reason and intellect. |
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| [11:26] Demosthenes:
A two dimensional piece of information can always be recast into a single dimension, even if it is more natural to use a two dimensional representation. |
| [11:27] Demosthenes:
Think about a matrix in a piece of code with size [m][n]. You can always store all that information in a one-dimensional array of size [m*n]. |
| [11:28] Demosthenes:
It seems somewhat meaningless to me to ask what a higher dimensional string of information would look like. |
| [11:29] Demosthenes:
Even DNA can be looked at as more than a single dimensional piece of code if you look beyond just the nucleotide sequence. |
| [11:30] Demosthenes:
Is the sequence an intron or an exon? Is it methylated? Are we talking about the sense sequece or antisense sequence. |
| [11:31] Demosthenes:
These pieces of information can be stored as a flag in a one-dimensional sequence of information. |
| [11:31] Demosthenes:
Or if you'd prefer, you can always make a second dimension where these flags are stored. |
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| [11:32] D3V:
how would it make more sense recast into a single dimension? |
| [11:32] D3V:
to* |
| [11:32] Demosthenes:
Why not? |
| [11:33] Demosthenes:
All I'm saying is that any representation we choose to encode information in is our own. |
| [11:33] Demosthenes:
It's not intrinsically dimensional. |
| [11:33] D3V:
it doesn't seem more natural to be two dimensional? |
| [11:34] D3V:
but, you are right. I'm not saying you aren't. |
| [11:35] Demosthenes:
For DNA? I don't know. I don't do bioinformatics. But based on my limited knowledge I don't see why you would go to a higher dimensional. You'd just need more than a quarternary code to flag all those other things I'm talking about. |
| [11:36] Demosthenes:
So maybe instead of ATGC you have something like EATMGCE indicating an exon and a methylated thymine. |
| [11:40] Demosthenes:
I will probably spend the next thirty minutes responding to some of your posts before having to get back to work |
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lol |
| [11:40] Demosthenes:
This place needs more activity. |
| [11:40] Demosthenes:
What ever happened to Grav. Last time I came around he was still posting. |
| [11:41] D3V:
Sorry, I don't know shit about bioinformatics either. I'm speaking in complete generalities |
| [11:41] D3V:
Wasm |
| [11:41] D3V:
Wasn't he diagnosed with autism? Oh no, that was Skurai. |
| [11:43] D3V:
Maybe we could start a nontheist religion, host debates via webcam and have it open to the public. We can file for 501c3 tax exempt status. |
| [11:43] D3V:
??? |
| [11:43] D3V:
profit. |
| [11:44] Demosthenes:
I actually am on the board of something to that effect. |
| [11:44] Demosthenes:
It went defunct |
| [11:44] Demosthenes:
And the leadership was awful. |
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We weren't complying with basic state laws. |
| [11:45] D3V:
well, that's the thing. you have to do all of that before you should even be brainstorming. |
| [11:45] Demosthenes:
Eh, there's a lot of stuff that has to be done once you officially receive that status |
| [11:46] D3V:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf |
| [11:46] Demosthenes:
For instance, the board was supposed to meet every so often (I think quarterly) according to state law. The president couldn't even be bothered to arrange those meetings. |
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| [14:58] D3V:
Sounds like they need a new president. Or possibly a mutiny forms it's own coalition |
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| [16:32] Demosthenes:
It's a lot of work, and nobody really wants to commit to that much time. |
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| [23:07] Skurai:
A nontheist religion, also known as Internet Atheist. |
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| [23:07] Demosthenes:
? |
| [23:08] Demosthenes:
It goes well beyond the internet. |
| [23:08] Demosthenes:
We had a (now defunct) real life nonprofit. |
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It quickly crashed and burned, but nonetheless. |
| [23:08] Demosthenes:
We've accomplished a lot in Houston. |
| [23:09] Demosthenes:
Biggest atheist meetup group, skeptics groups, Houston Church of Freethought, Houston Oasis, etc. |
| [23:09] Demosthenes:
Biggest atheist meetup group in the world* |
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| [23:30] Skurai:
I'm not talking about Bronycon dude. |
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| [00:33] Demosthenes:
You're not talking coherently. |
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